Would you temporarily give up your gun rights for a pile of money?
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leadcounsel
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These two points are astute, and worth noting:
Most of the folks here are frequently stripped of their rights, albeit temporarily, when they go into government buildings, fly on airlines, go to sporting events, concerts, and go to their employer, making a lot less than millions of dollars, etc.
So we ALL have a price, regardless of the chest thumping.
There is short term loss/sacrifice for long term security... People can say they wouldn't take a pile of money, but I would be astounded if presented with $10,000,000 that every single one of us would go live in NYC, LA, Chicago, etc. for a year or three - and laugh all the way to the bank afterward. The financial security, and being able to buy a reasonably big piece of land, mansion, provide a lifetime of financial security for your family, buy every gun you've ever wanted without even thinking twice... never having to work again, so you can spend time with family, friends, and on hobbies....
I don't think many here could honestly turn that down. But I could be wrong.
Most of the folks here are frequently stripped of their rights, albeit temporarily, when they go into government buildings, fly on airlines, go to sporting events, concerts, and go to their employer, making a lot less than millions of dollars, etc.
So we ALL have a price, regardless of the chest thumping.
There is short term loss/sacrifice for long term security... People can say they wouldn't take a pile of money, but I would be astounded if presented with $10,000,000 that every single one of us would go live in NYC, LA, Chicago, etc. for a year or three - and laugh all the way to the bank afterward. The financial security, and being able to buy a reasonably big piece of land, mansion, provide a lifetime of financial security for your family, buy every gun you've ever wanted without even thinking twice... never having to work again, so you can spend time with family, friends, and on hobbies....
I don't think many here could honestly turn that down. But I could be wrong.
sigcurious
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I've thought about this type of situation a fair amount. While it's unlikely that I would take a job in the usual suspects here in the US. I would probably take a job overseas for the experience more than the money. I like to travel and there's a lot of world out there. I can always come back to whatever gun-friendly state after experiencing the world on someone else's dime. This is all assuming a relatively normal salary for my field. Millions for a few years could get me back to Chicago,NYC etc.
These types of people would give up NOTHING. With that much money, they have the ability to "buy off" many, many people (including the law and government), thus, gun rights or no gun rights are meaningless; They do what they want.
To wit: Ted Kennedy's bodyguard in Washington D.C. with the illegal (in D.C.), Uzi. Nothing ever happened to that guy, according to a buddy of mine who retired from Secret Service.
Theohazard
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Yeah, it looks like a bunch of people are saying that never, under any circumstances, would they ever join the military. Which is certainly their right. I just didn't realize we had so many conscientious objectors on this site.leadcounsel said:
For me, the key is "temporarily." If the offer came up, my two questions would be:
How long is "temporarily?" and
How large is the pile?
Exactly. If my employer or a future one asked me to live in another country for a finite period of time at a ridiculous salary, I would consider it, but it would have to be a 1st World country - UK, Australia, etc.
As it happens now, I have to travel to California and Massachusetts pretty regularly, usually for a week at a time. I check a Benchmade folder in my baggage, but I don't bring a gun, so I am sort of giving up my rights for a short period of time and my employer does pay me quite well.
How long is "temporarily?" and
How large is the pile?
Exactly. If my employer or a future one asked me to live in another country for a finite period of time at a ridiculous salary, I would consider it, but it would have to be a 1st World country - UK, Australia, etc.
As it happens now, I have to travel to California and Massachusetts pretty regularly, usually for a week at a time. I check a Benchmade folder in my baggage, but I don't bring a gun, so I am sort of giving up my rights for a short period of time and my employer does pay me quite well.
Glenn E. Meyer
New member
I give up my 'rights' when I visit my cardiologist. Since I had heart problems I guess I am some traitor to the cause by trying to live a little longer.
The point that absolutist statements are not useful is useful.
The point that absolutist statements are not useful is useful.
Complex answer:
I wouldn't give up my rights to make money. Hence, I will never take a job in California or NY (or most of the new england area) unless there's a greater good (e.g. it's the last job in north america and my kids are starving).
That said, if I were going to a place that didn't have the same rights to begin with, but I were going on a temporary basis, it might be worth my while to accept the local restrictions. The fact that I am a guest in a different land and considering the added benefits of self-education or cross-cultural educational experiences would make me willing to accept the loss of some rights (among them gun ownership) for personal betterment.
Some examples might include:
1. Teaching English in a foreign country.
2. Doing a research job in a foreign country that demanded my presence to gather data (e.g. archaeology or anthropology).
3. Going to school in a foreign country.
4. Working as a journalist in a foreign country or as a journalist embedded with US troops.
My 2c.
I wouldn't give up my rights to make money. Hence, I will never take a job in California or NY (or most of the new england area) unless there's a greater good (e.g. it's the last job in north america and my kids are starving).
That said, if I were going to a place that didn't have the same rights to begin with, but I were going on a temporary basis, it might be worth my while to accept the local restrictions. The fact that I am a guest in a different land and considering the added benefits of self-education or cross-cultural educational experiences would make me willing to accept the loss of some rights (among them gun ownership) for personal betterment.
Some examples might include:
1. Teaching English in a foreign country.
2. Doing a research job in a foreign country that demanded my presence to gather data (e.g. archaeology or anthropology).
3. Going to school in a foreign country.
4. Working as a journalist in a foreign country or as a journalist embedded with US troops.
My 2c.
aarondhgraham
New member
Temporarily?,,, Oh heck yes!
Temporarily?,,,
Oh heck yes!
It's all situational though,,,
How much money and for how long?
Would I move to an anti-2A state like New York for a permanent job?
I would have to be desperate.
I left one anti-gun state already,,,
I would have to be in true dire straits to go back.
Aarond
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Temporarily?,,,
Oh heck yes!
It's all situational though,,,
How much money and for how long?
Would I move to an anti-2A state like New York for a permanent job?
I would have to be desperate.
I left one anti-gun state already,,,
I would have to be in true dire straits to go back.
Aarond
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leadcounsel:
Re the sort of person you mentioned, that athletic celebrity, or other celebrity (actor), or the high paid/high powered corporate executive, that sort of person would have absolutely no problem at all in NYC, where Ilived for many years, obtaining an unristricted carry permit, if they desired one. As for Joe Every Person, that's an entirely diffrent story.
Re the sort of person you mentioned, that athletic celebrity, or other celebrity (actor), or the high paid/high powered corporate executive, that sort of person would have absolutely no problem at all in NYC, where Ilived for many years, obtaining an unristricted carry permit, if they desired one. As for Joe Every Person, that's an entirely diffrent story.
leadcounsel
Moderator
Another example is a college campus...
Anyone here attend college? How about visiting your children at college? Most ban guns on campus, or at least carry.
And you're generally paying THEM to take that right from you!
Anyone here attend college? How about visiting your children at college? Most ban guns on campus, or at least carry.
And you're generally paying THEM to take that right from you!