Would you steal from a relative?

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I have a friend who has an aunt with serious mental health issues. She is on massive amounts of medications to keep her from, well, going crazy. She never moved out of her parents house. They are both deceased, now. (old age related)

She also has a problem with buying tons of stuff she does not need. I mean thousands of dollars of junk she doesn't even use. She racked up credit cards to the point that she had to declare bankruptcy. Even worse, her dad who was trying to relax during retirement, had to get a part time job to pay her bills. Even after that, she stole her mom's credit card to go on a shopping spree when her mother was still alive, a couple days after her dad died.

The friends grandfather owned a couple of rifles and some nice knives. He was wondering if he should take them to keep, enjoy, and possibly hand down one day. Would he be wrong doing this knowing that the aunt might eventually lose everything? The aunt would not even know these items were gone, for the sake of this thread, by the way.

The aunt lives alone. She does not work, but collects disability.
 
not stealing from ANYONE is always the best policy as far as i'm concerned............................................................................


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Your friend might try asking her for them.

Otherwise, I'd say no. They're not his.

Depending on how serious her illness is, though, your friend might want to look into some way to legally separate her from the weapons.
 
Depending on how serious her illness is, though, your friend might want to look into some way to legally separate her from the weapons.
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As far as I know, the aunt is harmless, even off the meds.
My buddy told me that he probably doesn't even know or has forgotten about the guns and knives.


not stealing from ANYONE is always the best policy as far as i'm concerned.
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I fully agree, but she may lose everything in court if she finds a way to rack up more bills. Which is worse?

Lets just say for arguments sake that she is now being sued and has a great possibility of losing everything. What would you do now?
 
If the guns don't mean anything to the aunt, why not offer her some money for them, rather than stealing? Apparently she's not opposed to money. Surely, if she's as demented as you say, someone could be appointed her legal guardian?
 
If the guns don't mean anything to the aunt, why not offer her some money for them, rather than stealing? Apparently she's not opposed to money. Surely, if she's as demented as you say, someone could be appointed her legal guardian?
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That would be like giving a crack addict crack, right? Why would he want to feed her habit? I don't have all of the details, so I want to present this as a hypothetical situation. Lets say she is sane enough to be her own guardian.
 
Nope, giving someone legal tender for their property, rather than stealing their property from them, whether or not they're sane, isn't the same as giving a crack addict crack. If she decides to throw the money in the trash, so what?
 
I thought if you had mental health problems you're not to own firearms. Well thats what they ask you on the form you have to fill out when you buy a new gun if you've had any mental health problems.
 
I'd call it a fair trade-off if you were to cough up fair value for those firearms and apply the payment to her bills and/or needs.

Beware of any firearm transfer or purchase laws concerning that idea though...
 
Forms don't have to do with everything. When I got convicted of a misdemeanor the court knew that I was mentally ill and knew that I owned firearms. No one cared that I owned firearms and no one gave it a second thought either.
 
I don't know if them trying to take them would have been a good idea. I was in a very foul mood after being convicted of something minor that I didn't even realize was wrong at the time. About three months went by before it was even brought to my attention that I did something wrong. I was in the middle of clearing a 10 year old nest of yellowjackets out of the wall that was between two studs when the piii-I mean cops showed up. Needless to say I don't trust anyone now.

After visiting the BATF's website and with my luck I decided to sell my firearms off and invest in airsoft guns to avoid trouble.
 
I know this is completely wrong and immoral, but that poor chick is sick, and in her sickness she may end up losing some very precious and valuable family herilooms...if it were my friend i would tell him to go for it. It's what ole grandpappy would want...Maybe clear it with some other family first...then i'd help him drive. C'mon, stealing's wrong, but not as wrong as loosing some heirlooms cuz of some crazy aunt. Go get the guns and think of his grandfather every time ya'll go shoot. (This one's for you, pappy!)

oh yeah, and if she were being sued and looked at losing everything, i woulda been there yesterday loadin that crap up. end of story.
 
The appropriate remedy for that situation is to get a lawyer and file a *guardianship* case, asking the court to place control of her finances in someone else's hands; a guardian, if you can find a person willing to do it (yourself?), and take care of her bills. Specifically name in your petition/application the valuables she is likely to sell & squander, such as the guns.

The appropriate remedy is not to steal (if they truly do belong to her).
 
AHHH never mind, it ain't my business if you steal from your family. If you know it's stealing then you know it isn't right, even if you get a lawyer to legaly steal from them.

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That would be like giving a crack addict crack, right? Why would he want to feed her habit? I don't have all of the details, so I want to present this as a hypothetical situation. Lets say she is sane enough to be her own guardian.
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If you (or he) have already decided to steal the guns, there's no need to try to justify it with that kind of reasoning.
You know right from wrong.
 
I don't care how you justify it, stealing is wrong. It would put your friend in the same (no) class as any other criminal.
 
But if i were dead and in heaven (or pittsburg...wherever you go) and my daughter was going to squander away my babies instead of rightfully and dutifully passing them on...i would really want my granson (or hell, even grandnephew is that's all i had) to go get em...yeah yeah, stealing's wrong but letting family memorabelia go to waste is worse. Either that or someone else get's them at auction for peanuts...but at least that's legal, right guys?

sometimes doing what's right means not doing what's right. If you feel rightous go for it, if you feel shady...well, listen to your giminy cricket. (or sqoosh him good)
 
I wouldn't necessarily consider it stealing.

When the Alzheimers fully kicks in I would hope that my younger son "steals" my guns before the older one sells them off for half their value to pay for a party weekend or to pay off the debts caused by a previous party weekend.
 
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