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I just can not fathom giving these criminals guns, 99% of these guys are bad dudes, they stab people for disrespecting them, they run extortion rings, gambling rings, deal drugs, slash peoples faces for very minor things, and countless other crimes, and this is all while incarcerated.
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And the rapes. i worked as a CO in a WV prison for awhile. That prison consisted of 12 dorms. Most regular folks would never believe the things that happened there. Felons do not "get rehabilitated" in prison. A few manage to rehabilitate themselves and never commit another crime.

Prisons are training grounds for criminals. Inmates who have never done violence often become very violent in prison. The non-violent felon who went to prison is very often not the same guy who gets out of prison.
 
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If someone's inclined to return to a life of crime, nothing's going to stop them. Except... one thing that might stop some of them is to make it easier for them to re-integrate into society. I'm sure it's difficult to re-integrate when you have prison ink and no skills except being a thug, but it's even more difficult when almost nobody will hire you, when you don't even have the dignity of being able to legally defend yourself (or your family if you try to start one) with a gun, and when you've been socially conditioned in prison to identify yourself as a criminal.
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Yes. This.

I have friends whose daughter married a felon (non-violent offense when he was young). He can't get a job and they have trouble finding housing -- few people want to rent to a felon, and even though their smallish income would qualify them for Section 8 housing -- no dice, he has a record. She works like the dickens at a couple of low-paying jobs, and he stays home and takes care of the kids. He is a wonderful dad, dotes on the kids, and I've never seen him so much as raise his voice to them. But I know it weighs on him that he can't support his family.

And Tyme is correct about the way that criminalizing the sale and possession of drugs contributes to the problem. If drugs were legal, taxed and regulated, the main reason for a very high percentage of the violent crime in this country would be gone. Yes, some drugs -- especially crack and meth -- are very damaging, but if we put even half the cost of the so-called "war on drugs" into rehabilitating addicts instead of criminalizing them, the overall social cost of addiction would be miniscule compared to what it is now. And people often forget that heroin and cocaine (not crack) use isn't that unusual among white-collar folks. Many of them go on holding down jobs and otherwise managing their lives just fine. And funnily enough, if they are caught, they're treated very differently from those "other" people...

Want to keep guns out of the hands of felons? Make fewer felons in the first place.
 
But then the privatized prison system would lose big bucks...

Big prison systems started around the same time that slavery ended; cheap convict labor replaced slave labor. There is money and political capital made when felons are created...
 
But then the privatized prison system would lose big bucks...
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Not just the privatized ones. Some of the state run prisons are in competition with private business.

Big prison systems started around the same time that slavery ended; cheap convict labor replaced slave labor. There is money and political capital made when felons are created...
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Bingo!!! Several states rented their inmates out as laborers for private business.
 
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It's more then just loss of their 2A rights, they can't vote either.
This is a popular myth.

Convicted felons vote in at least 38 states. Maine and Vermont allow incarcerated felons to vote by absentee ballot.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.r...resourceID=286
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Doesn't sound like a myth to me, sounds like it is regulated by the States and that there are several differing conditions that must be met before voting rights can be restored to the individual and that in some states they may never be reinstated and are not required to be which sounds like you could lose your right to vote for life.
 
"There should be a good, effective, pathway where he could petition to get his full rights back. He's earned it, I assure you."

Has he contacted a good criminal lawyer? Usually a first consultaion is free.
He could pettition the court, oe possibly the Governor for a pardon. That last one might be pricy but get the info from a professional. I can only speak for what worked for my neighbor here in Arizona.
Paul B.
 
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The other drugs, Heroin, Cocaine, Meth, Crack, etc, are severely damaging to the human body and, with a few very small exceptions, have no legitimate or positive uses whatsoever. They destroy people and lives just as surely, and often just as fast, as a physical assault.

If someone stood there and said "Here! Beat me to death!" and you did it, you'd be in jail. Selling them Heroin or Crack is no different IMO.
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The market for drugs is vastly different from the market for terminal sadomasochism.

Is the drug war successful at limiting the number of willing drug dealers? I don't think so. I don't think there's ever been a shortage of people willing to deal. That's not the right link in the chain to target. If someone's producing a drug and someone's buying the drug, someone will show up to take the risk and the profit of dealing the drug.

By making it legal and (to varying degrees) regulating it, you guarantee purity, eliminate toxic contamination (there's a lot of this), eliminate varying purity (a main reason there are so many overdoses), and cut out the vast majority, if not all of, the drug-trade-related violence we have today.
 
Is the drug war successful at limiting the number of willing drug dealers? I don't think so. I don't think there's ever been a shortage of people willing to deal. That's not the right link in the chain to target
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That's because, unlike other countries, we let these scumbags live. Start executing them, and things would change - but then I'm a little older and curmudgeonly.....:p
 
If someone stood there and said "Here! Beat me to death!" and you did it, you'd be in jail. Selling them Heroin or Crack is no different IMO.
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As much as I'd like to agree I just can not . There are many steps that an addict must take before he can get high . He must acquire funds for the drugs , He must seek the drugs out , He must take those drugs and for it to be bad for him he must abuse those drugs . There were many points along the way he had a choice to say no or get help . Putting it all on the dealer is like saying spoons made Rossi fat .

My point is we all make choices in life that will effect the rest of it .
 
Dealers in a way or really like he said and should be dealt with when caught. Dealing is terrible enough, what about to underage children?
 
"It doesn't matter what the crime was."

Like heck it doesn't.

There are laws involved here.

I don't like the whole tenor of the first post-you seem to be fishing for an argument.
 
Dealing is terrible enough, what about to underage children?
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That is a whole other ball game .

I did not mean for it to sound like I feel the dealer is blameless . They are the bad guy as well for sure . I just don't think they have the same blame .

Like what was hinted at a few threads back . The government says its bad so it is so , drugs bad alcohol good . Both will destroy a life and everyone around it.

We can't hold every aspect of a crime to the same responsibility or punishment ( not sure if aspect is the right word , hope you get my point ) .Should we be blaming Wal-mart for selling the bullets that were used at Columbine . Micheal Morre seemed to think it was Wal-marts fault .

It's not the dealer , Wal-mart or the gun that caused the problem . It was an individual that made a decision to do something that would change his life forever . Because of that choice he made , he looses many of his rights . He went to jail because of the choice he made not because the drug trafficker asked him to move some drugs for him .

EDIT : This is an example . I'm not speaking to the brother in law guy or any other persons in this thread .
 
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I'll probably catch hell for this but I think we need to go back to public hangings for violent crime. We waste millions of tax dollars feeding and housing violent criminals that should never be released back into society. We provide free education and health care to these scumbags, even free cable TV! Public executions would make future violent offenders think twice before committing violent crimes( like rape, armed robbery, etc...) and we could save countless millions of dollars being wasted. Rope is pretty cheap and effective.
I think there should be avenues for the non-violent criminals to follow to regain their rights after there sentence is served, especially drug use related. JMO
 
That's because, unlike other countries, we let these scumbags live. Start executing them, and things would change - but then I'm a little older and curmudgeonly
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I've tried both "older and curmudgeonly" and "older and wiser". You'll find the latter to be much more beneficial to all concerned.

Only 4 countries executed more people in 2012 than the US: China, Iran, Iraq, and Saudia Arabia.

You really want the US to change into one of those countries?
 
Given that this thread started with a question of whether released or paroled criminals should be allowed to own or possess firearms, and has wandered into the territory of comparing global execution statistics, I think it safe to say that this one has run its course.

Thank you all for being civil. Closed.
 
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