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'Constitution is stupid,' argues Census worker
Michigan family decries abuse by 'Cens-less' Bureau employee

by Julie Foster



When Michigan resident Kim Carey refused to answer questions about her neighbor posed by a Census Bureau employee making follow-up visits, she cited her belief that the questions are "unconstitutional," to which the enumerator retorted, "The Constitution is stupid."

The government employee was attempting to fill out a census form with information gathered by proxy -- a practice employed when residents do not respond to follow-up visits. According to the national Census 2000 office, proxy information may be gleaned from neighbors, resident managers or any other knowledgeable party over the age of 15.

Carey informed the enumerator that one person occupied the residence in question, but would not answer queries related to her neighbor's age or race.

According to Carey's sister, Shelah Balogh -- who was present at the time of the visit -- the enumerator persisted after calling the Constitution "stupid," saying, "Come on, how old is he ... 30, 40, 50?"

Balogh shut the door, and the enumerator, described as a young man in his early 20s, went to an open window and began yelling, "Is he black, white? What is he?" before heading to another neighbor's home.

"I was appalled at his belligerence. I felt as if I were under attack," Carey told WND. "It's sad and scary that an apparently educated young American representing our government could show such contempt for our Constitution. Think of the countless men who died defending those ideals. It's sick."

WorldNetDaily contacted the Troy, Mich., field office for the U.S. Census Bureau in an attempt to identify the enumerator. Pam Corby, assistant manager of field operations for the office, was appalled at the behavior of the employee, but said there was no way for her to determine exactly who he was.

"It's deplorable," Corby said in response to the enumerator's comment about the Constitution.

She noted that all Census Bureau employees take an oath to uphold the Constitution and that the young worker's actions violated that oath. The bureau hires thousands of people, she said, and offices are required to hire anyone who passes a basic skills test administered by the bureau.

The test consists of 28 multiple-choice questions "designed to measure the skills, abilities and knowledge required to perform a variety of Census jobs," says the bureau's website. "There are five parts to the test: reading, clerical, numerical, evaluative and organizational skills."

The test-taker has 30 minutes to complete the exam and may retake it "as often as required." Prospective employees must also pass a security background check.

"Four of every five applicants achieve a score of 70 percent or better," the bureau asserts, though it does not specify a qualifying score for employment. Veterans receive hiring preference.

The policy "totally eliminates discrimination," Corby said. "It's a good process, but it has its fall-backs [sic] when these things happen."

Corby indicated her desire to "deal with" employees like the one Carey and Barogh encountered, but her hands are tied in the matter. There is no mechanism in place by which supervisors can find out what enumerators are in specific places at specific times, she said.

Corby apologized for the employee's actions, noting the majority of census workers are "there for the money."

Indeed, WND was contacted by an enumerator who admitted he is financially motivated.

"I do it for the money," he wrote, noting that he earns $13.75 per hour and 33 cents per mile while on the job.

"The miles add up when it's a rural area and you have to go back three times," he continued. "So if a job address is a 20-mile round trip, and the round trip takes one hour (they pay port to port)" then the enumerator earns $41.25, he calculated.

"Easy money," he said, though he believes it is "a waste of taxpayers' money. We can't work more than 40 hours a week, but mileage is pretty much open. It's great part-time work -- no pressure, fresh air, sunshine. Hell, it pays for cigars and beer, and on the way back, I do a little fishing."

With sworn government officials acting under oath for "easy money" and a lack of accountability in hiring and employment practices, as evidenced in the Michigan case, the Census Bureau is losing credibility with many Americans.

"What scared me about the whole incident was how totally indoctrinated this kid was," reflected Balogh. "This is the same type of person who would think nothing of going door-to-door confiscating firearms if instructed. It was a chilling experience."

"At first, he tried to convince us that all of these intrusive questions were outlined in the Constitution," she added. "If we had been at my house, I could have pulled out my copy of the Constitution and asked him to show me where it states that the federal government has the right to know how many bathrooms I have, or what time my husband leaves for work in the morning."

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Slowpoke Rodrigo...he pack a gon...

"That which binds us together is infinitely greater than that on which we disagree" - Neal Knox
 
The census person was merely expressing the widely held views of the Clinton admiinistration that any part of the Constitution they are not in favor of is null and void.
 
Actually the majority of the enumeration questions are quite Constitutional.

The ammendment even says that enumeration process is entirely up to how Congress wants to do it.

The basic questions that will get Census out of your hair are essentially the same questions that have been asked for more than 2 centuries.

It is generally the ******** or cowards that are refusers that are not quite up to snuff on the constitutionality of the Census.
 
The purpose of the Census is to apportion representatives among the states. Why are those other questions required to do that?

Rick
 
p l i n k e r makes a good point. What we need to focus on is purest constitutionality. If, in fact, the questions are constitutional, then we need to consider if that's what we want in our constitution. I really don't know what our Congress has decided should be asked in our National Census. p l i n k e r takes a view that is less stand-offish from our government, but he's made no attacks on our members who are extremely protective of their privacy.

We, as gun-owners who've been under attack by our own federal government, have a LOT of distrust for government workers coming around and asking personal questions.

Clearly, anecdotal stories like the one above are shocking. But why does the person complain after the fact? All census workers have their I.D. badges prominently displayed. Were it me, I'd have been on the phone to the Census Bureau before this bozo left my porch. Kim Carey sat around, got mad, and called or emailed WorlNetDaily. This Kim Carey didn't even have the sand to call her local field office to complain by herself. In other words, though a victim of intrusive, shocking practices, Ms. Carey was incapable of raising an alarm until later.

This story is suspect. That the enumerator who turned in the proxy interview for her neighbor could not be identified is also suspect.

There! Now I feel all warm and fuzzy, having played devil's advocate for the day! :)

Best,
--L.P.
 
George, we not only need the :barf: face back we need a nuke-em face too! Sure the administrator is shocked that the (probably) recently released convict said the Constitution is stupid. I think they are a little to quick to be offended. This is planned and if the "administrator" truly believed this was unconstitutional, they would give instructions to the takers to only ask how many were in the house! One interesting point on the historical issues, (yes they've gone too far at this point) in our search for geneological information my brother and I found info on, # of Males, females, underage and # of slaves owned. If you wanna have some fun note how many slaves you own and see what happens! Since it is against the law to give false info consider all of your children in your house to be slaves! Make sure to stick to your story! GREAT GOOGLEEMOOGLEE will this ever stop!
 
First of all plinker, it's not an amendment, it's in Section 2 of Article I. It says

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The actual Enumeration [to count, or determine the number of, according to dictionary.com] shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they [the congress] shall by law direct.[/quote]

So, the congress can count the number of people in any manner they direct. Dictionary.com has an extensive definition of the word count but it boils down to determining the number of something. It doesn't say "to get the names of" or "to determine the number of toilets in" or "to determine what language is spoken" or any of the other many questions asked by the census.

Plinker, would you mind regaling us with your explanation of the census and specifically how questions like "when do you leave for work in the morning" are constitutional?

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
It's probably not a big stretch of the imagination to expect that this administration would consider "in such manner as they shall by law direct" to include asking such asinine questions as number of bathrooms, time leaving for work, etc., as within the purview of the census. However, it's unlikely that Congress signed off on that list of questions, and if they gave the Census Bureau a carte blanche to ask whatever questions they wanted, that is likely to be an impermissible delegation of authority. (As if they'll be held accountable...)

Coming in the Census 2010, as President Hillary Clinton is halfway through her first term as President (succeeding Al Gore), "How many guns are in this household?" The answer, obviously, must be "none"; Al and Hillary will have taken them all away.

From my cold, dead hands.

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Every nation has the government it deserves. - Joseph de Maistre
 
plinker, perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but as one of those who was unwilling to waste my time and privacy on this BS, I felt I was being called a ******** or coward. I'll prefer the former ...

Sometimes, for any 'relationship' to work, one party needs to say 'no' and push back. I'm more inclined to do this with our governments all the time. They need to feel some resistance.

Regards from AZ
 
If I give you a bag of MMs to count, do you give the total number or the number of the different colors? What if I give you Peanuts and Plain mixed and ask you to count?

If you count a deer population, do you count the number of total deer or do you count by mule deer and white tail, by age, by sex?

Remington wants to count the number of guns made today. Do they count just the firearms made or do they seperate into calibres, action types, rifles, shotguns, black powders, rimfires, centerfires, etc.?

"in such manner as they [the congress] shall by law direct" (Ain't that a b*tch. It's all constitutional. And some of it is unncessary.)

Give your names, relationships, ethnicities, and ages folks. Refuse the other nonsense. Some relative 2100 might want to know where the great, great, great whoever was from. It won't be available for anything but statistics by the Census until 2072.

[This message has been edited by p l i n k e r (edited June 21, 2000).]
 
As a I said before cowards and *ssh*les. Maybe I should include morons as well. It is a count no different than any other count. Some people take the low road, some the high.
 
With all respect, p l i n k e r, a mandate to perform 'actual Enumeration' is not a license to commit demography.

From www.m-w.com :

Main Entry: enu·mer·ate
Pronunciation: i-'n(y)ü-m&-"rAt
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Latin enumeratus, past participle of enumerare, from e- + numerare to count, from numerus number
Date: 1616
1 : to ascertain the number of : COUNT
2 : to specify one after another : LIST
- enu·mer·a·tion /-"n(y)ü-m&-'rA-sh&n/ noun
- enu·mer·a·tive /-'n(y)ü-m&-"rA-tiv, -'n(y)üm-r&-, -'n(y)ü-m&-r&-/ adjective

I submit that 'such Manner as they shall by Law direct' only authorizes that the count may be taken by mail or in person, or by some other means.

Arguments ad hominem are beneath my comment.

[This message has been edited by Slowpoke_Rodrigo (edited June 21, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Slowpoke_Rodrigo (edited June 21, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Slowpoke_Rodrigo (edited June 21, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Arguments ad hominem are beneath my comment.
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But not mine.

P l i n k e r, the ice upon which you're stomping is very thin. Knock off the insults. If you can present your argument without resorting to name-calling, fine.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>...in such manner as they [the congress] shall by law direct.[/quote]

I have a question: Does Congress write the questions or the Census Bureau?
My guess is the latter (but I very well could be wrong), in which case it has not been directed by Congress that we answer questions about our neighbors' plumbing, etc.

Yes, when we're dead, this information could be very interesting/entertaining to future generations, but their amusement is not worth the price that comes with it, i.e., my privacy.
 
Well, if I'm a coward or whatever for simply letting them know how many live in my house - period - so be it. And yes, perhaps fear does enter into it slightly - you might ask the Japanese-Americans who were herded into "relocation" camps during WWII what they think of that 72-year confidentiality clause...

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
Fred Reed
 
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