WorldNetDaily Exclusive - Clinton wants to 'organize' home schoolers

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Friday, May 5, 2000


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Clinton wants to 'organize' home schoolers
'Your children have to prove that they're learning on a regular basis'
by Julie Foster



Concluding his two-day "school reform tour," President Clinton yesterday said home-schooled children should "have to prove that they're learning on a regular basis" -- or be forced to go to school.

"I think that states should explicitly acknowledge the option of home schooling, because it's going to be done anyway," Clinton said. "It is done in every state of the country and therefore the best thing to do is to get the home schoolers organized," he said.

Clinton said while he would not choose it for his own child, home schooling can work well when students and parents are made to answer for the students' learning.

"We should say, 'Look, there's a good way to do this and a not-so-good way to do this,"' and require that home-schooled students meet academic benchmarks, he said.

"But if you're going to do this," he added, "your children have to prove that they're learning on a regular basis, and if they don't prove that they're learning then they have to go into a school -- either into a parochial or private school or a public school."

In recent years, the growth of the home-schooling movement has exploded in the U.S. due to the ever-worsening crisis of the nation's public schools -- plummeting test scores, controversial curricula, negative peer pressure and school violence.

Clinton said home schooling was not really a widely available option when his 20-year-old daughter Chelsea was younger.

"But if it had been, I wouldn't have done it," Clinton said, because he preferred that Chelsea be exposed to a wide range of students and experiences in school.

Michael Farris, president and founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association, responded to Clinton's remarks, saying, "There's no one right way to home school your child. The one size fits all approach to education is the reason public schools are struggling. The strength of home schooling is our ability to individualize the education of each child."

"I think we are pretty organized," he said in reference to Clinton's statement that home schoolers should "get organized."

"It would seem to me that the last person we would want to be organized by is the government," added Farris.

According to a 1998 study conducted by Dr. Lawrence M. Rudner, a veteran in quantitative analysis, students who are educated at home have consistently scored above the national average in standardized tests, making the whole concept of requiring home-schooled children to meet public school standards a bit odd to many home-schooling parents.

Rudner, from the University of Maryland in College Park, has served as a university professor, a branch chief in the U.S. Department of Education and a classroom teacher. For the past 12 years, he has been the director of the ERIC Clearinghouse on Assessment and Evaluation. ERIC is an information service sponsored by the National Library of Education -- a branch of the Education Department. His two children attend public school.

His study included a total of 20,760 students in 11,930 families -- seven times as many home-schooling families as any previous study of its kind -- which provided demographic questionnaires and achievement tests. And, unlike earlier studies, families chose to participate before they knew their children's test scores.

Students in grades K-8 took the Iowa Test of Basic Skills, and high school students took the Tests of Achievement and Proficiency. Both tests were published by Riverside Publishing Company and were developed after reviewing national and state curricula and standards.

"In every subject and at every grade level of the ITBS and TAP batteries, home school students scored significantly higher than their public and private school counterparts," the study finds.

Home-schooled children score in the 82 to 92 percentile ranking for reading and up to the 85th percentile in math.

About 25 percent of all home school students are enrolled one or more grades above their age level, with the achievement gap widening as students progress. Incredibly, by the 8th grade, the average home school student performs four grade levels above the national average, the study shows.

Parents were asked to complete a questionnaire entitled "Voluntary Home School Demographic Survey," which provides information about families who choose to home school.

The background questionnaires reveal that, on average, home school parents have more formal education than parents in the general population, with 88 percent having continued their education beyond high school compared to 50 percent for the nation as a whole.

Rudner's study makes additional comparisons between home schooling families and the general public, including income, hours of television viewing and marital status.

In Farris' analysis of Rudner's study, he writes, "Without a doubt, the Rudner study demonstrates that home schooled students are doing exceptionally well. The question, 'Why?' however, is one that this study cannot sufficiently answer."

"Home school students typically come from families where income is relatively high, marriages are intact, and dedication to education is strong," he continues. "We do not know how these children would have performed had they been placed in public or private school, nor can we say that this study proves the superiority of home schooling over other educational choices. The answer to these questions lies not in statistics, but rather in individual stories."

Regarding attempts to regulate home schools, Farris told WND, "There's a constant pushing against the excesses of the regulations [of home schools]. The courts have been friendly to us when the regulations are overly burdensome. Slowly but surely, home schooling is marching toward freedom. We want to continue that march, both politically and legally."

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Slowpoke Rodrigo...he pack a gon...

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POTUS say

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I say

Given the FACTS on home school learning presented in the story, if government conditioning-center students don't prove that THEY'RE learning then they have to be home schooled.
 
Slowpoke - exactly!

Where's the proof that public school students are learning? Here in Texas, we have the "TASS" test, in which any student who is "having difficulty in math or reading skills" is exempt from the test (hispanics in my area).

Exempt?!

It's such a joke it is truly unbelieveable. They spend more time teaching students to pass the TASS test than they do teaching the students.

CMOS
 
Mr. President, get off your ivory tower. As much as it may break your twisted heart the constitution is for all the people. You don’t own us and over the next few months this will come to light. Best enjoy what time you have left in the White House but leave the rest of the world out of it. By the way your wife more than likely has plans for you, ie your in a world of $hit.
 
Y'all are nuts. Public school kids learn ALOT, and at a much faster rate, than home-schooled kids--for instance, how to brutalize the small and physically weak for their lunch money and $200 sneaks; how to get pregnant in a janitor's closet before you get your driver's license; how to impregnate numerous girls before...etc (see above); how to kill someone with a fountain pen (actually pretty useful if you ask me); how to locate "gun-free" zones and commit your felonies there; how to get a better grade by threatening to rape your teacher's daughter...

the list goes on.

[This message has been edited by Chris in AL (edited May 05, 2000).]
 
Yes Chris, ALL of today's "social skills" are learned in "public school". That's why the liberals cry so loudly that home-schoolers will "miss out" on the "socialization" gained in public school.

I wish we'd have been able to do it with our kids. When they were younger, the HS movement was still fairly small, and many states still didn't recognize its validity. So, because of that, my oldest son (16) rots in a maximum security juvenile prison (which I am billed monthly for his stay), and my youngest (14) has gone from honor roll to F's in two short years.

I'd home sholl the youngest, but I'm usually away from home for a few weeks at a time when working, and mom isn't "smart/educated" enough to teach the higher level courses. Bummer.
 
"Your children have to prove that they're learning on a regular basis"

Prove what?
That they can read at a 3rd grade level when they're in the 10th grade?
 
Klinton's comment and agenda is all about control. How can they spread their propaganda if they don't have access or control over the information being supplied to these young minds? They want to make sure that there is not a large base of individuals out there who can think for themselves.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
Yeah, I wouldn't have such a foul mouth if it hadn't been for the wonders of public schooling. I been socialized good.

You'd think that Bush campaign would love this. What is Clinton thinking? Remember the last time that the Democrats tried to slip a rider on a federal education bill that would have made homeschooling illegal?

The response was so overwhelming that in a few days the only supporter of the proposal mysteriously became the NEA funded rep who fielded it. The home schoolers have proven they are organized. Why would Clinton want to rile them up?
 
I suspect the main reason that home schooling works so well is that the parents care. Too many times you will hear from teachers that there needs to be more parental involvement in the schools.
 
Yeah. Okay. Lets take the one part of the educational system that WORKS and add government to the mix.

Adding government to the mix ALWAYS helps, right?

Seriously, though? Everyone here take a deep breath and RELAX. Clinton is proposing programs and silly ideas hand-over-fist...NONE of them are going to be implemented. This is his last (less-than) year in office. Sure, if Gore wins he MIGHT take the ball and run with it, but I doubt it. Clinton is, as usual, pandering for a higher approval rating.

Mike


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"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein
 
i now can see that two plus two does equal five!

double speak, double think, double post
 
His operative word was organize...the rest was BS smoke.

By organize, he means take over and institutionalize by means of state sanctioned curricula...which in turn would make HS the same as public school, which then kills it.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
all together now....

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I think the equations for this are: public schools + unions = control; Home schoolers - unions = no control. Is there really any mystery as to why Clinton works toward bringing home schoolers back into the public school system (hint: what party typically receives union endorsements)?

I am not anti-union per se, but I think their involvement in education has generally left much to be desired.
 
How many more months of BS do we have to listen to from him, anyway? Why does Klinton think people homeschool, anyway?

"uh, I don't feel like gettin' up and takin' you to the bus stop Johnny. Why don't you just stay home and play Nintendo?"

People who homeschool their kids are making an extra effort and doing a much better job than the government. Klinton needs to stay the he!! out of it.

What a jackass! Yeah, if kids don't go to Publik Skool, the govt can't get their brainwashing hands on them. It's becoming much more common and out of (the Government's) control. :mad:

IMO, the only thing kids learn in publik skool is Conformity.
 
I don't have kids yet, when I do I hope to be able to homeschool. Government intervention in the parent-child bond is totalitarianism!

Klinton FO!

[This message has been edited by Bam Bam (edited May 05, 2000).]
 
I have a brother who home schools, a brother & sister with kids in private school and a brother with kids in gov't school. I vote for home schooling first, private second and gov't last. The reason that the gov't schooled kids are as well schooled as the others is because of parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles (like me :D) that care, expect and demand that they do well.

This 'village' works, but Klinton ain't allowed on my street. We have morals, integrity, and we vote.

Bite me, Bill/Hill!
 
GGGGGGGRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

I have an 8 year-old daughter. If she was in public school, she'd be in the third grade. She reads at the 8th grade level. She is doing 6th grade math. She has a better understanding of history, civics and philosophy than most high-schoolers. She can even find the USA on a map! My 10 year-old will be doing algebra this fall. She loves to read, mainly historical fiction. AND CLINTON WANTS ME TO ANSWER TO HIM FOR HOW MY KIDS ARE BEING EDUCATED!!?!??!?

Words cannot express how angry this makes me. Clinton doesn't get it. You come after my guns, and you will have a fight on your hands. You come after my kids, and it will get ugly!

As a side note: I just came across a book entitled, None Dare Call it Education by John Stormer. If you aren't bothered by the government schools, read this book, and you will be.


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Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in the other, and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked.
Nehemiah 4:17,18
 
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