Wildalaska
Moderator
As exhibit C, I give you J. Edgar Hoover
WildpinktutuAlaska
WND: "Guaranteed:" Miers to withdraw
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As exhibit C, I give you J. Edgar Hoover
WildpinktutuAlaska
Glenn E. Meyer
New member
J. Edgar was a touch more attractive in an evening gown.
Sorry, I couldn't resist
I was never a real Bush fan but after 9/11, I thought he might be the man for a real war against our enemies. I have read commentary and scholarly books by military men and conservatives clearly documenting that the strategies in Afghanistan and Iraq were seriously flawed. Not Dem critics but military experts of reknown and conservatives.
That and his repeated support for the AWB - soured me on him as being a good president on two issues I care about that might counter for some of his other crap. Thus, he offers me little as a leader.
I don't see much of quality on the Democratic side either. Basically both parties have failed the American public and we could do with them.
Sorry, I couldn't resist
I was never a real Bush fan but after 9/11, I thought he might be the man for a real war against our enemies. I have read commentary and scholarly books by military men and conservatives clearly documenting that the strategies in Afghanistan and Iraq were seriously flawed. Not Dem critics but military experts of reknown and conservatives.
That and his repeated support for the AWB - soured me on him as being a good president on two issues I care about that might counter for some of his other crap. Thus, he offers me little as a leader.
I don't see much of quality on the Democratic side either. Basically both parties have failed the American public and we could do with them.
How prophetic
Miers withdraws Supreme Court nomination
Stunning news in tense D.C.; Bush accepts decision ‘reluctantly’
WASHINGTON - Confronted with criticism from both liberals and conservatives, Harriet Miers on Thursday withdrew her nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court.
In a statement, President Bush said he “reluctantly accepted” her decision to withdraw, after weeks of insisting that he did not want her to step down.
“It is clear that senators would not be satisfied until they gained access to internal documents concerning advice provided during her tenure at the White House — disclosures that would undermine a president’s ability to receive candid counsel,” Bush said. “Harriet Miers’ decision demonstrates her deep respect for this essential aspect of the constitutional separation of powers — and confirms my deep respect and admiration for her.”
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Miers’ surprise withdrawal stunned Washington on a day when the capital was awaiting news on another front — the possible indictment of senior White House aides in the CIA leak case.
Miers notified Bush of her decision at 8:30 p.m. Wednesday, according to a senior White House official who said the president will move quickly to find a new nominee.
'Perfect storm'
A White House source, who had been working on Miers’ confirmation, told NBC News that the withdrawal was the result of a “perfect storm” of events — including a call to the White House Wednesday from a conservative Senate Judiciary Committee member who “hoped” the nomination would be withdrawn.
In a letter dated Thursday, Miers said she was concerned that the confirmation process “would create a burden for the White House and our staff that is not in the best interest of the country.”
She noted that members of the Senate had indicated their intention to seek documents about her service in the White House in order to judge whether to support her nomination to the Supreme Court. “I have been informed repeatedly that in lieu of records, I would be expected to testify about my service in the White House to demonstrate my experience and judicial philosophy,” she wrote.
“While I believe that my lengthy career provides sufficient evidence for consideration of my nomination, I am convinced the efforts to obtain Executive Branch materials and information will continue.”
Waves of criticism
Miers’ nomination has been under withering criticism ever since Bush announced her selection on Oct. 3. There were widespread complaints about her lack of legal credentials, doubts about her ability and assertions of cronyism because of her longtime association with Bush.
The nomination drew fire across the political spectrum and caused a rebellion among the conservative core of Bush’s supporters who doubted her qualifications and wanted a nominee who they felt would be a reliable vote against abortion, affirmative actions and other hot-button issues.
On Capitol Hill, there was meager support among Republicans for Miers and her nomination appeared in serious trouble.
Most recently she has been Bush’s White House counsel. Bush said that with her withdrawal, she would remain as counsel. He did not indicate when he would name a successor.
“My responsibility to fill this vacancy remains,” Bush said in a statement. “I will do so in a timely manner.”
Nomination speculation
Before Bush chose Miers, speculation focused on Miers and two other Bush loyalists: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Bush’s longtime friend who would be the first Hispanic on the court; and corporate lawyer Larry Thompson, who was the government’s highest ranking black law enforcement official as deputy attorney general during Bush’s first term.
Other candidates mentioned frequently included conservative federal appeals court judges J. Michael Luttig, Priscilla Owen, Karen Williams, Alice Batchelder and Samuel Alito; Michigan Supreme Court justice Maura Corrigan; and Maureen Mahoney, a well-respected litigator before the high court.
NBC’s chief legal correspondent, Pete Williams, noted that Miers’ decision was exceptional, since only seven of 150 nominations have been withdrawn in the history of the court.
Conservative concerns
Miers had been expected to respond Thursday to a new set of questions from senators after her first responses were criticized by Senate Judiciary chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and senior Democrat Patrick Leahy of Vermont.
The committee had scheduled Nov. 7 confirmation hearings for her, but Specter and Leahy said Miers’ answers to their original questions were “incomplete” and “insufficient,” one of several setbacks Miers faced over her nomination to replace retiring Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.
While none of the Senate’s 55 Republicans had announced opposition to her, several groups like Concerned Women of America had called for her withdrawal.
“We believe that far better qualified candidates were overlooked and that Miss Miers’ record fails to answer our questions about her qualifications and constitutional philosophy,” said Jan LaRue, the conservative group’s chief counsel.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837151/
Miers withdraws Supreme Court nomination
Stunning news in tense D.C.; Bush accepts decision ‘reluctantly’
WASHINGTON - Confronted with criticism from both liberals and conservatives, Harriet Miers on Thursday withdrew her nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court.
In a statement, President Bush said he “reluctantly accepted” her decision to withdraw, after weeks of insisting that he did not want her to step down.
“It is clear that senators would not be satisfied until they gained access to internal documents concerning advice provided during her tenure at the White House — disclosures that would undermine a president’s ability to receive candid counsel,” Bush said. “Harriet Miers’ decision demonstrates her deep respect for this essential aspect of the constitutional separation of powers — and confirms my deep respect and admiration for her.”
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Miers’ surprise withdrawal stunned Washington on a day when the capital was awaiting news on another front — the possible indictment of senior White House aides in the CIA leak case.
Miers notified Bush of her decision at 8:30 p.m. Wednesday, according to a senior White House official who said the president will move quickly to find a new nominee.
'Perfect storm'
A White House source, who had been working on Miers’ confirmation, told NBC News that the withdrawal was the result of a “perfect storm” of events — including a call to the White House Wednesday from a conservative Senate Judiciary Committee member who “hoped” the nomination would be withdrawn.
In a letter dated Thursday, Miers said she was concerned that the confirmation process “would create a burden for the White House and our staff that is not in the best interest of the country.”
She noted that members of the Senate had indicated their intention to seek documents about her service in the White House in order to judge whether to support her nomination to the Supreme Court. “I have been informed repeatedly that in lieu of records, I would be expected to testify about my service in the White House to demonstrate my experience and judicial philosophy,” she wrote.
“While I believe that my lengthy career provides sufficient evidence for consideration of my nomination, I am convinced the efforts to obtain Executive Branch materials and information will continue.”
Waves of criticism
Miers’ nomination has been under withering criticism ever since Bush announced her selection on Oct. 3. There were widespread complaints about her lack of legal credentials, doubts about her ability and assertions of cronyism because of her longtime association with Bush.
The nomination drew fire across the political spectrum and caused a rebellion among the conservative core of Bush’s supporters who doubted her qualifications and wanted a nominee who they felt would be a reliable vote against abortion, affirmative actions and other hot-button issues.
On Capitol Hill, there was meager support among Republicans for Miers and her nomination appeared in serious trouble.
Most recently she has been Bush’s White House counsel. Bush said that with her withdrawal, she would remain as counsel. He did not indicate when he would name a successor.
“My responsibility to fill this vacancy remains,” Bush said in a statement. “I will do so in a timely manner.”
Nomination speculation
Before Bush chose Miers, speculation focused on Miers and two other Bush loyalists: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Bush’s longtime friend who would be the first Hispanic on the court; and corporate lawyer Larry Thompson, who was the government’s highest ranking black law enforcement official as deputy attorney general during Bush’s first term.
Other candidates mentioned frequently included conservative federal appeals court judges J. Michael Luttig, Priscilla Owen, Karen Williams, Alice Batchelder and Samuel Alito; Michigan Supreme Court justice Maura Corrigan; and Maureen Mahoney, a well-respected litigator before the high court.
NBC’s chief legal correspondent, Pete Williams, noted that Miers’ decision was exceptional, since only seven of 150 nominations have been withdrawn in the history of the court.
Conservative concerns
Miers had been expected to respond Thursday to a new set of questions from senators after her first responses were criticized by Senate Judiciary chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and senior Democrat Patrick Leahy of Vermont.
The committee had scheduled Nov. 7 confirmation hearings for her, but Specter and Leahy said Miers’ answers to their original questions were “incomplete” and “insufficient,” one of several setbacks Miers faced over her nomination to replace retiring Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.
While none of the Senate’s 55 Republicans had announced opposition to her, several groups like Concerned Women of America had called for her withdrawal.
“We believe that far better qualified candidates were overlooked and that Miss Miers’ record fails to answer our questions about her qualifications and constitutional philosophy,” said Jan LaRue, the conservative group’s chief counsel.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837151/
MicroBalrog
New member
....can I say I told you so?
Mike Irwin
Staff
Well, I was big-time wrong.
I realized that I was wrong 3 or 4 days ago when I first heard that the Democrats were contemplating questions about Miers role in advising the president, and the White House responded executive privledge.
Bad on me, bad on the White House that they didn't see this coming. I guess they were that stupid.
I realized that I was wrong 3 or 4 days ago when I first heard that the Democrats were contemplating questions about Miers role in advising the president, and the White House responded executive privledge.
Bad on me, bad on the White House that they didn't see this coming. I guess they were that stupid.
Wildalaska
Moderator
Or smart.
Think about it.
WildguesswhatsnextAlaska
I find two things highly amusing about this event.
The first, is how the liberal/left, who had been painting Miers as a ultra-conservative nutjob, now crow it's the "right wings" fault that she had to withdraw.
The second is how the liberal/left are all reading from the exact same talking points, I just heard five democratic leaders read the exact same speech, like a broken record.
Now, lets get Edith Brown or Edith Clement nominated!
The first, is how the liberal/left, who had been painting Miers as a ultra-conservative nutjob, now crow it's the "right wings" fault that she had to withdraw.
The second is how the liberal/left are all reading from the exact same talking points, I just heard five democratic leaders read the exact same speech, like a broken record.
Now, lets get Edith Brown or Edith Clement nominated!
Rich Lucibella
Staff
WildguesswhatsnextAlaska:
I've no idea what's next.
You indicate that you do.
Please enlighten me......
Rich
I've no idea what's next.
You indicate that you do.
Please enlighten me......
Rich
Mike Irwin
Staff
"Or smart."
No, not smart at all.
Bush very badly alienated a lot of core supporters with the Miers nomination, including some of his stalwart supporters in Congress.
That's never an intelligent move.
No, not smart at all.
Bush very badly alienated a lot of core supporters with the Miers nomination, including some of his stalwart supporters in Congress.
That's never an intelligent move.
Glenn E. Meyer
New member
That's never an intelligent move.
We talking about the Bush White House here?
We talking about the Bush White House here?
