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I've always wondered how an official language would affect those living in US territories such as Puerto Rico. Would the residents of that island be required to learn english even if all their commerce and governing is done in their native tounge?
 
I've always wondered how an official language would affect those living in US territories such as Puerto Rico. Would the residents of that island be required to learn english even if all their commerce and governing is done in their native tounge?
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I imagine they'd probably be exempted from it.
 
Now ya know how a hamster on a treadmill feels.......
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Yeah do I ever.
If the whiner was here with me and we were looking at a blue moon and I said what a beautiful shade of blue the moon is. The collage boy would say it was yellow. On that note I'm done with this thread as you can't make a liberal see the light or the moon from south of the border :D
 
If the whiner was here with me and we were looking at a blue moon and I said what a beautiful shade of blue the moon is.
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This is not a sentence.

The collage boy would say it was yellow.
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It's college, not collage. I learned that in grade school, not college.

On that note I'm done with this thread as you can't make a liberal see the light or the moon from south of the border :D
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Huh? Who's south of the border? I'm not entirely sure what you're even trying to say here. Also, missing a period on that last sentence.

How does this relate in any way to the topic at hand? I'm just amused by watching several people whose grasp of the English language appears to hover somewhere around the fifth-grade level insist that others should go out an learn it.

EDIT: Of course, feel free to point out some of my own grammatical errors. No doubt there are some, as I'm not perfect. Then again, I'm not insisting anybody learn English, either.
 
I'm just amused by watching several people whose grasp of the English language appears to hover somewhere around the fifth-grade level insist that others should go out an learn it.
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That's more than once you have used that argument. Tells me you have nothing worthwhile to say. I am a member on many forums and most take a dim view of overly criticizing another members grammar. I agree we should make an effort to write as best we can, but not all have had the formal education to help. However, this is no reflection on the quality of their ideas.

Putting someone down never makes you higher...you just think that's the case.
 
I believe the subject of this thread was asking about pro-illegal views. I took that to be asking if anyone could show any positives from illegal immigration. There is a lot of posts to wade through but I have not found any that pointed to positives of illegal immigration. There is a bunch of posts that support illegals, but what about the positive impact? Cities are clearly finding illegals to be a negative factor and are trying to take corrective actions. Anyone know of a city that has found illegals to be a positive influence? I can post links to ones that feel illegals are negative....any links to ones that think illegals are a positive factor?


Thanks sasquatch

Don't want to post to much, but will add this.

Speaking of self-reliance...since when does the government have an obligation to protect you from competition from immigrants?
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I agree, no one owes us protection against competition from immigrants. But this thread is not about legal immigrants that support our tax & social system along with all other Americans. For me, this could have been a short thread if the question was about legal immigrants. Simple answer. I welcome any and all that come to this country from any where in the world and go through the necessary steps to become citizens.
 
Well stated, madmag
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+1 There.
As far as English goes and the use there of, in the real world it is the point or thought that really counts not if a T is crossed or not.
If a feller's gonna swear he otta learn how. We can't on this forum so your not going to learn here. Get out in the real world, cause you sure as the heck can there. Thats a good idea for anyone that writes here, talk to real folks in the real world, find out what the feelings really are out there.
 
I believe the subject of this thread was asking about pro-illegal views. I took that to be asking if anyone could show any positives from illegal immigration. There is a lot of posts to wade through but I have not found any that pointed to positives of illegal immigration. There is a bunch of posts that support illegals, but what about the positive impact? Cities are clearly finding illegals to be a negative factor and are trying to take corrective actions. Anyone know of a city that has found illegals to be a positive influence? I can post links to ones that feel illegals are negative....any links to ones that think illegals are a positive factor?
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Positives from illegal immigration have been mentioned. Economic stimulation, a larger tax base for many forms of taxes (property, sales, etc.), cheaper products and services in many sectors (including ripple effects from, say, cheaper availability of childcare allowing skilled workers to be more productive, etc). Some (though not all) have been mentioned in this thread. Have you simply not read it?

That's more than once you have used that argument. Tells me you have nothing worthwhile to say. I am a member on many forums and most take a dim view of overly criticizing another members grammar. I agree we should make an effort to write as best we can, but not all have had the formal education to help. However, this is no reflection on the quality of their ideas.

Putting someone down never makes you higher...you just think that's the case.
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Really? I don't remember having used that one before*. I'm actually pretty sure that's the first time I've torn somebody's grammar apart here before as well*. The point still stands that a lot of people I hear claiming others should learn English, or who claim they'd learn the local language if they moved somewhere, have either a rudimentary grasp of the language of their native country and questionable ability to learn another. Who are they to judge? I say they should consider themselves lucky they were born here, and aren't faced with the obstacle of having to learn another language in order to try and provide for their family.

Also, I think anybody who tries to use "college boy" (or more accurately "collage boy") in a derogatory way in some sort of attempt to question the credibility of somebody for being educated deserves an intellectual smack to the face. Especially when that "college" boy isn't exactly some punk 20-year-old kid, but rather a married combat veteran who's closer to thirty and just happens to attend college.

* - I'll go ahead and peruse my post history to see if I can find my previous uses of this argument....if you remember when it was, and could point me in the right direction, that'd be helpful.
 
Give up men as you can't make him see the light or anything else for that matter But I'm sure its not his fault it's his up bringing or I bet he would blame his mom or his dad or his priest, Rabbi, Bush, wa wa wa.
All the kid does is bla bla bla pity the poor little immigrant and its our fault we ruined the world and now people like him feel the need to blame us for slavery and the Mexican problem and the war in Iraq is our fault and wa wa wa wa wa . I suppose since I'm from the north east and my roots go back to the Mayflower you would blame me for taking advantage of the Indians too. Heck while were at it I confess I use too much oil and I must have started the Global warming thing too. The only thing that your were right about is that indeed I did spell College wrong. The Boy part I think I got right. Smack in the face ? Yeah that I would love to see from a wimp like you hiding behind your keyboard trying to tell grown up folk whats in your view wrong with the world. Some of these fine gentlemen fought wars before you were even a twinkle in someones eye so as people like you could be free. And all you do is run that big mouth of yours all day. Your tone is most the time insulting and like most Liberals you usually just blame guys like me for the ills of the world as that is all you can do as you have no real answer for anything, Just looking to place the blame on someone. I was always taught to try to see the good in people and be tolerant of poor behavior and also try not to insult people but I can't do that in this case as @%$^^&& such as yourself definitely bring out the worst in me . Now I know when I'm looking up the rear up a dead horse so here's looking at at you KID :D Now will you close this thread ?
 
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All right now... There are quite a few of us trying very hard to maintain a civil debate--and for the most part I'd say we've done a remarkable job. However, I'm getting the impression there are a few who would really like to get this thread closed, for whatever reason. Furthermore, this one-upmanship full of fluff and ego I've noticed fron a few posts has got to end--period. There will never be two people who completely agree all the time--fact of life. Accept it or don't--it's not going to change it.
So for those who just can't seem to keep a civil discussion civil, I've got this to say:
In an effort to keep an otherwise interesting discussion/debate productive for those who are trying to maintain it, step away from the keyboard until you can post productively and without personal attacks, or simply ignore the thread.
 
WOW!
So I WASN'T overly "honest" in my last post!:confused:
How out of character.;)
I, for one, will no longer respond to the Enablers.
Two more ideas I forgot to mention.
1) Do away with this rediculous 'Wet foot, dry foot" rule!
I mean, "Gee! How can we punish someone that breaks our immigration laws and just happens tp be lucky enough to avoid detection?"
I know!
Make him a citizen!:confused:
2) Eliminate the anchor baby idea.
If mom and dad are ILLEGAL, so is/are the kid(s).
Why are ILLEGAL kids being allowed in our schools?
WHY?
Why can't the ILLEGAL parents be traced back through the ILLEGAL child in the school?
But still, if nothing is done by the gov't, this is all just so much hot air.
Until it gets so bad that citizens start making the necessary changes.
And that could get ugly.
Oh yeah!
The radio station is WFTL in South Florida.
 
Positives from illegal immigration have been mentioned. Economic stimulation, a larger tax base for many forms of taxes (property, sales, etc.), cheaper products and services in many sectors
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Answer: Not a positive. Based on a false premise about cheaper products & services. Low cost illegal wages + actual cost to social system = much more than a legal worker cost the community.


cheaper availability of childcare allowing skilled workers to be more productive, etc).
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Answer: That is really reaching. Are all childcare centers operated by illegals? I don't think I want to make the effort on this one.

Anyway, I will be off for a few days. Not retreating...just have to do some things for the better half. I could tell her no, but then I would face deportation.:eek:
 
The "anchor baby" issue is one that will really cause some flared emotions in public audience--as well it should. On one hand, there are undoubtedly a fair number who have kids for the sole purpose of acquiring their "get out of deportation free" card, in which case I am of the firm belief they have no business being parents, much less getting a break for deliberately cheating the system with a sympathy ploy. But on the other hand, the baby should not be made to pay the penalty of unworthy parents that want them only for the benefit of being able to stay in-country. I can be harsh, but when there are kids involved, especially infants, the rules change dramatically. Tough situation all the way around because there are still a number of people who come illegally with the idea they want their kids to have a better chance in life--a valid reason, even if its carried out under the wrong means.

The solution that comes to mind at the moment:
Do away with the anchor baby loophole--having a baby here does not gain a free ticket in. Deport the parent--but the baby stays. Put the baby into foster care until legal adoption can be arranged. This covers several fronts at once. It eliminates the obvious loophole. It potentially reduces the number of babies born to illegal parents because instead of being an anchor, it becomes a quick ticket back where they came from. This stands to lessen the amount spent on free healthcare, puts less burden on local human services, etc in that its only concern is the baby--not the baby, the mother, and then countless more that follow because of the same loophole. Reducing the number of kids born into homes for the wrong reasons could potentially reduce the number of uncared-for kids that would likely fall into the gang scene later and become prison fodder. For those who want to raise their kids here for a better life, it reinforces the need to go through the proper legal channels, because they run the risk of loosing them if they don't.

It's just a thought that struck me... *shrug*

EDIT: We made it to page 12... Gotta be a record for a thread like this... :D
 
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