Wisconsin lawmaker says arm the teachers, janitors

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It's about time.

http://www.wkowtv.com/index.php/news/story/p/pkid/25034

Teachers With Guns?

Wed 10/04/2006 -

Rep. Frank Lasee (R) says, in light of the school shootings in Pennsylvania, Colorado and Wisconsin, more protections are needed. He plans to introduce legislation that would allow teachers, principals and custodians to carry guns at school, if they complete a rigourous training program.

''It isn't the silver bullet to solve all of our problems but I believe it is part of the mix, of what we should be allowing our schools to do in order to protect our children.'' Lasee said.

Rep. Spencer Black (D) could not disagree more.

''Every so often a truly bad idea comes along from legislators and this is one of them. As terrible as the school shootings are, this is not the answer, this would be likely to increase violence in the schools, not decrease it.''

Wisconsin is one of only two states that do not allow concealed carry, which Gov. Doyle vetoed. Doyle's office says it is unlikely the Governor would support Lasee's bill, because he does not think teachers and police will support it.
 
That`s good. It is smart legislation. It will be tough to pass in Wisconsin though. I disagree with Spencer Black saying that police will not support it. It`s possible a lot of teachers may not support it, but I think the police will be on the "for" side.
 
I saw the CNN interview with the legislator today. Fredericka Whitfield, who is not my idea of a bright bulb in the box anyway, was doing everything she could short of verbally calling him an idiot to make it very clear to the viewers what she thought of every word he said. The man was so calm and so matter of fact it was great.

The problem the antis have is that this just upends their entire "gun control reduces violence" drive. They want so much for people to think that guns just go away, all will be well, the birds will sing, the sun will shine, and we'll all stand around singing Kum Bah Ya. The fact that SOMEBODY has finally said "if no guns leads to no crime, why are all these gun free schools getting shot up?" and pointed out that trustworthy CHL holders could have prevented or truncated these shootings just gives the antis the willies.

Three cheers for Rep. Lasee.

Springmom
 
Frank Lassee is one of the sharpest people in Madison. I get his newsletters on a regular basis, and he's got pretty much every issue nailed.

But, as has been said in other posts, there's no way this will fly in Wisconsin. At least not while Doyle is governor.

But we could see a bill like this pass next year if we get Green as governor and the Republicans keep control of both the Senate and Assembly.

Actually, all we'd need to do is get our shall-issue CCW bill passed, then pass a bill exempting teachers from the no-schools provision.
 
I think you're correct, Monkeyleg.

Though I must admit it is nice to have a more logical alternative put forth for public digestion. It's a nice change from the usual (knee-jerk) immediate talk of bans when something tragic takes place.
 
Ya know, I was having a discussion with SWMBO just the other evening on just this subject. My point was that I think it would be a very good thing for just this sort of thing to be enacted. Having an armed security officer on the premisis isn't a bad thing, but being overt makes him a pre-emptive target. OTOH, having a vice-principal with a CCW and a coach or shop teacher with a shotgun in a locker, or a custodian with one in the broom closet would go a long way towards eliminating the problem of schools being "target rich, low risk" hunting areas for sociopathic loons. A coach with a shotgun on the premisis is a whole lot more credible deterrent than the police who won't get there for the next 20 minutes. Especially when the BG doesn't know which of the staff are armed and which aren't, hence can't pre-emptively take them out like the current system using overt security officers.
 
It IS a beautiful concept, but there are some problems...

First off, how many teachers would actually take advantage of it? One or two out of every school district, if that many? Remember, we've got an INCREDIBLE amount of liberalthink going on in our school systems...

Lasee mentioned Israel in his lil' missive, but fails to see the major difference between Israel and the US: they've been fighting for their existance since the birth of their state, making them a nation of lions. We (meaning government and the media) have spent decades turing Joe Citizen into Joe Sheep. Just having the option of being armed will NOT turn a sheep into a lion...

and Dick, I was thinking along the same lines you are: if it's to pass, it will almost HAVE to be built into the CCW bill...
 
''Every so often a truly bad idea comes along from legislators and this is one of them. As terrible as the school shootings are, this is not the answer, this would be likely to increase violence in the schools, not decrease it.''
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*sigh*

Same old crap, different wrapper.
 
Rep. Spencer Black (D) could not disagree more.

''Every so often a truly bad idea comes along from legislators and this is one of them. As terrible as the school shootings are, this is not the answer, this would be likely to increase violence in the schools, not decrease it.''
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You're right, Rep. Black... Let's have a GUN BUY-BACK! THAT'LL do the trick!" :barf:


-azurefly
 
Hunter Rose,
I don't know about your area but there are at least three teachers in the school at which I work who have concealed carry licenses. At least in our area you'd find a lot more than two per county who'd exercise their 2A right.
 
Since Azurefly brought up Rep. Spencer Black's quote, I thought it might interest some to get an insight into Black's thinking.

During the 2004 debate on the Assembly floor about our CCW bill, Rep. Black suggested that permit holders might pull their handguns and shoot at and blow up nuclear power plants, resulting in untold number of deaths.

I wish I could say that Spencer Black is alone in his delusions. Unfortunately, we here in WI are burdened with too many like him.
 
"First off, how many teachers would actually take advantage of it? "

the possibility of getting shot is a great mind changer. You might just be surprised.

SW
 
How do you protect soft targets? Harden them. I think this is the first bit of common sense on gun laws out of the legislature since the stand-your-ground laws. Although I'm sure he'll be inundated with correspondence, I might try to write this guy a letter to thank him for being rational.

And monkey, part of the reason I like deer hunting in WI is because I can use a rifle, as opposed to Illinois. But that's a good point Black makes, you should probably lobby him to switch to shotgun-only hunting lest an errant high-powered cop-killing armor-piercing ultra-distance bullet miss its intended-poor-innocent-Bambi-ish target, smash through several woodlots and hit one of the many, many nuclear power plants in Wisconsin that are so notoriously volatile and vulnerable to small arms fire.
 
During the 2004 debate on the Assembly floor about our CCW bill, Rep. Black suggested that permit holders might pull their handguns and shoot at and blow up nuclear power plants, resulting in untold number of deaths.
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Un-frickin'-believable!! :mad:

Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) -- essentially the NRA for general aviation pilots -- took up that battle soon after 9/11. It now cites experiments and studies that were conducted using F4 jet aircraft flown into structures that mimic the containment vessels and cooling towers of nuclear power plants, and demonstrated that jets flying at 400+ mph would merely polish the surface of the concrete from which the plants are built!

I read other articles that concerned themselves with fuel burn rates; they demonstrated that even a full load of jet fuel burning inside the structures that contain nuclear fuel could not produce sufficient heat to cause catastrophe. (I forgot the specifics.)

The fact that Mr. Black could ever present a concern that BULLETS from HANDGUNS could ever threaten a nuclear catastrophe is so bizarre that it really defies sanity.

This man got to be an elected representative how? :rolleyes:
Oh, that's right -- most of the people are idiots! :mad:


-azurefly
 
It's state legislature, azurefly...

As to others saying "well, in my area...", you aren't dealing with the blissninnies we have. Wisconsin is one of exactly 2 states that don't have CCW: it's us and IL, and that's it...

I used to work as a data cable installer: did LOTS of work in Wisconsin schools. NEVER ran into a teacher that was pro self-defense: a couple of the schools I worked in had signs up that read "even if you're right, it's not an excuse to fight". I asked about that one: they were teaching the kids that even to defend themselves, they shouldn't fight. hell... I have a friend that, while in school, was told point-blank that he'd be suspended if he ever defended himself...
 
It's state legislature
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Good GRIEF, I knew there was a reason I never wanted to go into politics... Having to deal with idiots like that??!! I'd probably just shoot the stupit son-of-a-something or other... And as wonderful as it might feel, it would be counter-productive... Yup, no politics for me.
 
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