Wisconsin doesn't need law allowing its residents to carry concealed weapons

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Wisconsin doesn't need law allowing its residents to carry concealed weapons


I am a police officer with the City of Racine Police Department and a part-time police officer for another community in Racine County.


This is strictly my opinion and I am not speaking on behalf of the communities or law enforcement agencies that employ me.


The Wisconsin law against carrying a concealed firearm has worked effectively for over 130 years.


Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision. Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game.


Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime, if anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.


I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don't believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this.


There are a lot of responsibilities that come with carrying a concealed firearm and being able to effectively use it against someone in their self-defense or in the defense of another human being.


I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.


I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime, and that passing a concealed carry law in Wisconsin will do more harm than good.


ADAM A. MEYERS


Racine


http://www.sheboygan-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051123/SHE0601/511230307/1111/SHEopinion
 
I Agree 110% keep the sheep docile keep them circling in a herd. The sheep dog will protect them from the wolves. Now if we could just get a socialist goverment in charge everything would be perfect.LONG LIVE LENIN!
 
I agree that retired law enforcement professionals should be permitted to carry a concealed firearm as long as they follow state and federal laws and those policies presented to them by their former law enforcement agencies.
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How nice of you to allow yourself to continue to carry...while advocating that the rest of us shouldn't.:mad:
 
Hmmm?

I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don't believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this.
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A pointy stick is another way.:rolleyes:


there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.
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And this is bad because_______________.???:confused:

You really feel that being able to legally conceal a firearm is going to make it ... easier (for lack of a better word) to be a criminal, or that there will be more criminals now?

Or that the criminals are going to stop carrying because now they need a permit??

This is not a law for the bad guys, it's a law for the good guys!

This is strictly my opinion
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And I am happy about that.:) And happier about my upcoming vacation:D
 
The facts are the facts, whether you like them or not

I believe that there is no credible evidence that carrying a concealed firearm reduces crime
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Just because you happen to "believe" this does not automatically make it a fact.

The fact is, in every city, county or state that has passed laws permitting citizens to carry concealed firearms, the rate of violent crime has gone down. In those cities, counties and states that have outlawed concealed carry by citizens, the rate of violent crime has in every case been higher.

Washington, DC has the most onerous gun laws in the nation. It also has one of the highest, if not the highest murder rate of any city in the nation.

Professor John Lott's research into this issue proves these to be the facts of the matter. Under the relentless scrutiny of his academic peers, his research methodology has been declared credible and unimpeachible. His book on the topic, "More Guns, Less Crime" lays out the results of his research in detail.

Why should lawful citizens be allowed to carry concealed firearms? Besides the fact that it is our right as American citizens, 87% of violent crime occurs outside the home.
 
The Wisconsin law against concealed carry of a weapon has been in place for 130 years. It has NOT been effective in anything except to make criminals out of ordinary citizens.

It has NOT stopped violent crime.

It has NOT stopped criminals from carrying weapons.

It has NOT protected ANYONE from a violent offender.

What it HAS done is allowed the police and the government to bully the public, become paranoid, and create an elitist environment of "haves" and "have nots." It has allowed those in power to threaten those who are not with imprisonment for offenses that may not even exist and enforce it against a defenseless citizenry at the point of a gun.

It has also spawned an entirely new race of mankind. Political Hypocrites.

And if you think being one of the elite "haves" somehow makes you better than the average joe or less likely to offend, consider the recent events in which a County Sheriff attempted to assassinate his elected replacement.

Criminals exist in every class. Taking the weapons away from the ordinary citizen won't protect them. It WILL enslave them - which is the whole point to weapons bans even if you won't admit it.

As for being a LEO, you KNOW the real truth. Criminals don't care about following the law. Law enforcement will not, and has no duty to, protect the citizenry. Law enforcement can only act AFTER the crime has occurred. Which does nothing to prevent crime or save anyone from being a victim. NO police officer can "unrape" a rape victim. NO police officer can "unbatter" a mugging victim. No police officer can ressurect the lost feeling of security from being robbed or assaulted.

Advocating the political pap against guns while knowing the real truth AND advocating your personal exemption from the rules makes you despicable IMO. And you can quote me on that.
 
TBO - your right... it's just his opinion.

While at the gunshow in Antigo WI a few weeks ago - doing work for the Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association - a few LEO came up to write their representatives in favor of passing the Personal Protection Act (as it's called). A lot of good conversation was had with these officers, they understand the importance of CCW. Their opinion is opposite of Mr. Adam Meyers.

Not all WI LEOs are against CCW... I hope everyone remembers this before they go on with their LEO bashing.

But, there are also many LEO who spread fear, such as Mr. Meyers, with the "guns are dangerous and blood will flow in the streets" rhetoric.

While it's easy to say "don't get bent out of shape" over one guys opinion... that opinion is coming from someone who is trusted by the public, is full of mendacity, and is being broadcast to thousands of impressionable people via this article in the Sheboygan newspaper. Because of that, I do get a little contorted, and rightfully so I suppose.
 
Here is a thought...

In New Orleans, they had the same idea, that only cops are responsible, sound decision makers, qualified enough to defend themselves and others against those who would do them harm. So the top "Law Enforcement Professional" down there decided to violate the Constitutional right of the entire city, and confiscate their only means of defense. (Doesn't say much for good decison making on his part)

But he did that after about half of his employees decided to go home and defend their families first, which does not give a lot of weight to the argument that lthe citizens should not have a second amendment right. And it probably contributed to the judge's ruling in the law suit won by the NRA , on the issue two weeks ago.

But right after the Hurricane, President Bush floated the idea of granting more Federal Powers to the military for law enforcement during an emergency, with the "emergency status" to be determined solely by the head official in the office of "Homeland Security".

So he is suggesting that State Government be over-ruled by a non-elected official, who would be appointed by the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. Kind of like during reconstruction.

That is what "Martial Law" is.

Now here is the point...
What are all the "responsible", sound decision makers, or "Law Enforcement" folks going to do when the Military marches in on them and tells them that they don't need guns themselves, since the Military was in control of law enforcement, and therfore, "only military are allowed to have guns"?

Before you say that is a bizzare thought, keep in mind, that exact scenario played out during the mock take over of the Kingsville, Texas police station by during military exercises in Kingsville, Texas during the last year of the Clinton Administration. They were practicing for martial law, with FEMA officials in attendance. Part of the practice exercise was the take over of the police station, and the disarming of the law enforcement officers inside, by military personnel.

So I ask, are you going to cough up your duty pistol, your hide aways, and your home defense weapons, and simply trust in some Government Appointee just because he alone, decides an emergency exists?

And if you don't think we can wind up with an incompetent, bad decision making Federal official in high office, then I guess I could understand why believe that only you have the intellect to know how to carry, and when to use, a handgun for defense purposes.

Truly, a greater cause for concern might be the United Nations' attempt to disarm every civilian and police officer in the world, with weapons only being issued to military personnel within each nation. Such is the intent of their current "Worldwide Small Arms Ban" Treaty they are pushing. Now there is something that one should be concerned about.
 
TBO - your right... it's just his opinion.

While at the gunshow in Antigo WI a few weeks ago - doing work for the Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association - a few LEO came up to write their representatives in favor of passing the Personal Protection Act (as it's called). A lot of good conversation was had with these officers, they understand the importance of CCW. Their opinion is opposite of Mr. Adam Meyers.

Not all WI LEOs are against CCW... I hope everyone remembers this before they go on with their LEO bashing.
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But, there are also many LEO who spread fear, such as Mr. Meyers, with the "guns are dangerous and blood will flow in the streets" rhetoric.

While it's easy to say "don't get bent out of shape" over one guys opinion... that opinion is coming from someone who is trusted by the public, is full of mendacity, and is being broadcast to thousands of impressionable people via this article (It's a Letter to the editor, not an article. Feel free to write your own in, in fact, encourage others to write in) in the Sheboygan newspaper. Because of that, I do get a little contorted, and rightfully so I suppose.
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Before you say that is a bizzare thought, keep in mind, that exact scenario played out during the mock take over of the Kingsville, Texas police station by during military exercises in Kingsville, Texas during the last year of the Clinton Administration. They were practicing for martial law, with FEMA officials in attendance. Part of the practice exercise was the take over of the police station, and the disarming of the law enforcement officers inside, by military personnel.
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Interesting. Do you have any articles, web links that shed more light on this?
 
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This looks promising!
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TBO, hope you have enough of the above to share. Me thinks there are no such articles or evidence to support this training exercise in Texas. Also, when you order pizza, I prefer the BBQ pizza.:)
 
TBO - I'm sorry, your correct it's just a letter, not an article.

And, I am using the "Comment On This Story" feature from the Sheyboygan Press website to form some sort of rebuttal. (scroll down to bottom of article to view this feature).

PS - the popcorn/chair/pizza number thing was pretty damn funny.

PSS - we're hoping to have more law enforcement on our side this year, as the new proposed law has removed the burden of handling the licensing from the local Sheriff's Depts, and on to the Dept Of Justice.
 
Interesting. Do you have any articles, web links that shed more light on this?

It was reported on by the Austin American Statesman, Channel 8 in Austin, the Corpus Christi newspaper and television station, the Kingsville, Texas newspaper, etc.

But as far was weblinks, you have to go to www.infowars.com which is a web site run by a guy in Austin, Texas named Alex Jones.

There were several military excercises done in the U.S. featuring mock gun confiscations back then, and you can easily research it. Additionally, I sincerely urge you to log on to the United Nations web site, and research the push for the world wide gun ban treaty.

My point however, is not to bash LEO's. You will never, ever, find a bigger fan and amatuer historian regarding Texas Ranger history besides me, other than possibly Walter Prescott Webb, so don't for a moment think I am bashing LEO's.

I am however, pointing out that it seems strange not to trust one group of people to keep and bear firearms at all, and at the same time, entrust all firearms, to another group of people.
 
Oh yeah I forgot

Yeah, I forgot about that one AZREDHAWK, thanks for reminding me about the one on freerupublic's web site.
I appreciate you bringing that up. It spells it out pretty good.
I have a friend who was raised on the King ranch, and it scared his parents to death when they pulled that.
 
Deciding to pass a concealed carry law in Wisconsin that will allow almost every adult to carry a concealed firearm is a potentially dangerous decision.
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Nice. Let's slip right past the fact that we'd be talking about allowing only those without a criminal felony record to obtain such a permit.

This guy palms it off as though every adult, bar none, would be able to get a permit. We know this to be false, but he allows his statement to imply that anyone could get one.


Carrying a concealed firearm and deciding to shoot another human being is different from what is perceived on television, in the movies or while playing a video game.
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Gee, duh yuh think so?... :rolleyes:


Allowing Wisconsin residents to carry concealed firearms may not reduce crime, if anything, crime may increase and there will be, without a doubt, more firearms in our homes and on our streets.
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Yes, let's ignore the results of 38 other states that have NOT experienced this. I guess Wisconsin will be the crazy exception to what has apparently become a rule. :rolleyes:



I strongly support the ability for people to defend themselves, but I don't believe that carrying a concealed firearm is the only way to accomplish this.
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No, you'd rather they have to rely on everything but the most effective means of self defense: things like anemic pepper spray, chop-socky bullcrap self-defense techniques they were taught in a high school gym, or their cellular phone call to 911. Maybe you'd like that they bluff that they have a gun? (I've seen people suggest that! :eek:)


Of course, being a cop, you'd like to keep your own gun, right, because you know how effective it is and you're so much better at using it than some average gun-owner dude who fires thousands more rounds a year than you do... :rolleyes:


This kind of elitism sickens me.


-azurefly
 
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