Winchester Pumpguns?

Over the years stock 1300 Defenders have changed in small ways: things like the type of sights, the shape of the fore-end stock, etc. Nothing big I don't think.

Mine is early nineties; I had a 1200 before that. Not a hitch from either. Always reliable. Others I know haven't been so lucky. Same with 870s and 500s.

Don't get a pistol grip unless you've actually fired a 12-gauge pump outfitted with one and understand what you're doing. Most of us (myself most assuredly) can't properly control a 12-gauge with a pistol grip. I'm going to shoot the wrong thing that way and hurt myself doing it.

Beyond that, at least as far as this guy is concerned, most of the aftermarket stuff isn't needed on a HD unit (which is what I assume you're talking about since you brought up pistol grips; I hate to imagine you out in a duck blind with such a thing!) Instead, get a stock unit, practice with it until it becomes totally automatic, then practice some more. Practice--lots of practice--beats wannabe-rambo/swat/james bond/save-the-world/SEAL/gimmicks-for-the-suburban-walter mitties any day.
 
Good advice Bill. I think Ill just forget about the pistol grip. It is not needed and I do plan on doing some Pheasant hunting eventually and skeet shooting of course. This is one gun that I will not really need to accessorize.

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I went shooting with a friend last week. I took my 1300 Defender and he brought his 870. While using 2 3/4" loads both guns were equals, but when we started using Aguila MiniShells (1" long shells in 7 1/2 shot and .9oz slugs) the 870 choked and spent the next hour by itself in a scabbard waiting to go home. The 1300 spent that same hour spitting hulls as fast as we could load and pump them out. Both guns are box stock, 18" barreled, 3" chambered guns. The 870 will require elevator modification and a magazine tube extention to equal the 1300's performance. I would only consider an 870 if someone gave it to me for free. JMNSHO, YMMV.

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we use the Rem 870P at work. they're good guns. but my first shotgun was a Win 1300 Defender 12ga. i liked the way Win positioned the slide lock release and safety buttons. the Defender has worked perfectly every time. and it has the rotary bolt for the "speed pump." i bought mine at a pawn shop in "like new" condition, no scratches or anything. it was the only Win there, saw a bunch of Moss with rattlely forearms (i don't care for the position of the safety). anyways its the one with wood stock and forearm, i added a red Tru Glo Dot II and a Tac Star 6 shot side saddle to it. my Defender is mainly HD, i don't keep it loaded so the side saddle is a plus, but a minus b/c is does add bulk to the gun. the Tru Glo Dot II is visible from both sides, so i just took a black Marks A Lot marker and blacked out the barrel end of it.
 
I have a couple of Winchester 1300's and they are fine shotguns. I also have a Remington 870 and it's a fine shotgun also.
 
I paid for a 1300 Defender on thursday... still waiting for california background check. I'll let ya know how she works in about a week.
 
I've never heard anyone talk much about folding stocks, I have a Top Folding Stock from ATI but have yet to install it. The main reason i got it was to make it more compact when not in use. I have to admit, it does look pretty cool. I know this isnt always what you want with a firearm...especially a shotgun, but am I wrong when I say alot of the stopping power of a shotgun is simply its terrifying looks (when pointed at a foe).

dex, keep in mind you can always switch up the stock and the pistol grip, say have the stock on for trap or skeet or something and then the pistol grip when sitting next to your bed

However make sure you practice, practice, practice with both if you choose to do this... but you already knew that :)
 
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