Winchester 9mm 147gr Black Talon in Clear Ballistics gel.

ehh, gold dot or plenty of others equal or outperform talon.

I wonder what the federal inner post bullets are doing?

Does anyone remember nyclad? A flash in the pan.
 
I saw an episode of cops in which the cop checked out a guy who was carrying legally with a license, the cop confiscated his bt ammo from pistol and magazines.

Ouch. Probably close to $100.
 
"Does anyone remember nyclad? A flash in the pan."

If one considers that Nyclads were sold for close to 50 years, and were for a long time were a primary choice of those who carried snubbies because they actually had some hope of expanding at snub velocity, they were hardly a flash in the pan.
 
Can you explain that? You're putting the creation at 1970 or so. It's been discontinued several times and isn't currently in production.

I personally thought that it was brilliant for its time, wide open cavity, dead soft core, the absolute expansion of that soft core without leading at low velocity.

The fbi and $1 per round twenty packs are in charge now. I can't imagine that very many people will want this item.

Speer could introduce an identical round in gold dot, that thin plated jacket over thin lead with a carefully engineered point meant to positively expand at mediocre velocities.

Any cast bullet maker could cut a mold, use a different alloy, and use the coated bullet technology, right?

I can't imagine anyone, literally anyone choosing this round over another specially engineered round unless it was sold at a very competitive price. A bit more than a plain plated jacketed bullet.
 
I started wondering about silvertip pistol, how it has done. It's almost $1 a round, comparable to many rounds with fancy names. I can understand why it still sells. It spent years as the top tier, it has one of the most recognizable brands, and probably very few people think about the loss of dignity it suffered after Miami.
 
Nyclad was originally developed by Smith & Wesson and Fiocchi in the middle 1960s, and I believe first hit the market in the late 1960s.

Federal bought it in the early 1970s when S&W got out of the branded ammunition business.

I THINK Federal finally shut down Nyclad production around 2009-2010, but you could still buy it for a couple of years after that. Prior to that it was in and out of production as they ran batch lots based on demand.
 
I think that I remember Smith selling it under another name, now that you bring it up.

It would be good in a snub. It would be similar to the legendary (not for me) upside down hollow based wadcutters.
 
I still like WW Silvertip when I find it, but when it comes to hollwpoints I gave largely settled for Ranger.

Got a half box of Black Talon somewhere though "for a rainy day".
 
Me too

I have a full box of fifty Black Talon in .380 from back in the day. I'm hanging on to them till someone offers me too much money for them.

I don't even own a .380, thus the still full box.
 
With the development of the Syntech ammo, I'd like to see a modernized version of the Nyclad round for pistols.

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stephen426 said:
But the black paint makes it so much more sinister!!! And having "Talon" in the name is so much scarier than "Ranger" (unless you're talking about Walker, Texas Ranger )
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And the black paint makes it armor piercing. Just ask anyone on CNN, MSNBC, etc. :o

Nice test for 9mm Black Talon. I did one back in the '90s myself, and it did expand complete with sinister Talons as advertised. I still have about 16 of my original box of 20 as they are now collector items I suppose. :rolleyes:

I bet the 180 gr. .357 Mag Black Talons would be devastating whitetail loads, although those in particular have ridiculous collector prices now, and I didn't have a .357 back then. I am a big fan of the modern day evolution on the Talon in 125 gr PDX1 form for bipedal problems, however.
 
I was going to ask, but decided to find the answer on my own. I was curious how black paint was going to peel back into some kind of flesh shredding talon. The coating is called Lubalox. It is a proprietary oxide process. The black appearance is the oxidized copper jacket. It's main purpose was to protect the rifling in the barrel.
 
I still have a bunch of .45 230gr BT rounds. About 40 or 50, I'm guessing.

Allegedly, the Ranger XT round is virtually identical, sans the black color.

--Wag--
 
Im still baffled by the number of people who hold to the black talon as an iconic and effective round when probably any top brand round is using the same design ideas and will work as well or far better than the old talon.

Any petaled round will work better than a circular mushroom. if the jaccket material supports the lead core during expansion, it will retain weight and mushroom size. Really, those are the most important factors to creating a wide and deep wound channel. Retaining weight and creating a mushroom that will create a wide wound channel.

I just saw an ad for a non-expanding bullet that referred to the extremely high rpms that a bullet impacted at. please spare me.
 
Does anyone remember nyclad? A flash in the pan.
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I think I have around 10 rounds I was given. I have never tested them. I guess I will just add them to the 4 BT 44mag rounds I own. Is this the start of an ammo collection?:D
 
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