Winchester 94 30-30's

I've got two '94s, both of them post-64 rifles. Fun guns to shoot, although I don't hunt with them much any more. I've really been toying with the idea of taking the crappier-looking of the two of them and scout-scoping it. There is nothing wrong with the internals of the rifle, it was carried lots and shot little, so it's all dinged up. I think before it came to me, it had spend most of its life riding behind the seat of a pickup truck. An old, raggedy farm truck.

At any rate, Winchester made about 8 million of them and they're residing in closets and gun lockers all over the world. It's an iconic firearm and one that's very useful for standard riflery.
 
1929 model 94 20" barrel 30-30. This was my grandfathers.It was refinished by my father about 30 years ago. It has a side scope mount,i have the scope,its a leupold. Just curious what its value is. I would never part with it. I havent fired it in probably 10 years
 

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huntinaz
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Check your local pawn shop. I could buy 3 or 4 of them for $300-350 out the door right now. If I didn't already have one, I would.

Hey - we're talking about lever guns here - not wives - it's OK to have more than one lever gun for the variety - OTOH - with proper attention to making the choice - one wife does that job nicely.

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I see reference being made as the the post 63/pre78 models as being ugly and or poorly made. Could you elaborate?


The following is an excerpt from the book Winchester Model 94: A Century of Craftsmanship, under the heading Third Model, authored by Robert C. Renneberg:

"...This is the design change that illustrates the historic and infamous 'Pre-64/Post-64' changeover. The third model receiver (the corresponding serial no. range is from about 2,700,000 to 5,250,000) is the first to carry the designation of Post-64, and while not being in production for a particularly long duration (only about 19 years), was produced in quantities equalling about half the production of all Model 94s to date...
"This new model was such a blow to Winchester fanciers, such a departure from the quality of even the worst example of the previous design, so disappointing in appearance and feel, that sales plummeted dramatically.
"It rattled when you shook it. The action was an abomination with a flimsy sheet steel stamping serving as the carrier, and the receiver itself didn't take kindly to the bluing process. Even the fit and finish of the wood was terrible-on a par with the rest of the gun...
"The receiver itself was now a casting, an investment casting. The material from which it was cast was an alloy of some kind of 'mystery metal' that not only resisted polishing, but also refused to adequately react to the bluing solution. This alloy proved to be so inhospitable to finishing that it finally had to be plated with iron just to provide a consistent medium upon which the bluing solution could react...
"The final solution was to use a black oxide finish, that while in reality was hardly more durable, but at least had a smoother, higher quality finish.
"The machining of this receiver could only be called adequate. Visible machine marks on the interior surfaces show little or no attempt at elimination, and this condition was unfortunately carried over externally to the sides of the lever and hammer as well...
"The lifter/carrier assembly became a simple stamping of blued steel and had a particularly loose and sloppy fit (hence the rattle)...
"By the late '60s, due to lagging sales and 'unkind' references, Winchester was forced to rethink its product. The changes begin to be noticed around the 3,400,000 serial range and these 'improved' models are characterized by a phenolic instead of a steel buttplate. Let's call this receiver style, 3a. These guns, while not up to the Pre-64 standards, were nevertheless vast improvements over the immediately previous design.
"No stamped parts are found in this version. Newly machined internals were designed and properly fitted, and consequently the action becomes considerably smoother and tighter..."
The Fourth Model was introduced in 1978 at serials around 4,600,000. Mr. Renneberg explained that this style of receiver, "...is essentially the same as its predecessor but definitely displays enough re-engineering to qualify as a new model...These changes working in concert modernized the Post-64 Model 94 considerably and, in general consensus, were well-thought-out changes for the better..."

Hey, you asked...:)
 
^^ Nice info. I have wondered for a while now what the actual differences were, but had never gotten around to looking it up.
 
Hey - we're talking about lever guns here - not wives - it's OK to have more than one lever gun for the variety - OTOH - with proper attention to making the choice - one wife does that job nicely.

Haha, I should clarify. I have only one Win 94, but I have several other lever guns. I will have more. Leverguns are fine things.

Only have one wife too :p
 
Dgludwig, you took the words right out of my mouth :) That's as useful a referenced explanation of the Post 64 era as I've seen. What it didn't elaborate on (in that excerpt) was not only the fit, but the c*** wood often used--birch, or worse?--especially in the pre 3.4 million period, and the effect that early finish had if actually used, exposed to shooting/hunting conditions and especially any moisture: excessive mottling, pitting and flaking. When new/unhandled, at best the oxide finish actually looked painted on. Any 94 will freckle and even pit in the receiver area especially if exposed to repeated or prolonged moisture, hand sweat, etc, without reasonably quick wipe down, but the early Post 64s were another matter (worse) altogether. I don't know if a a better "truck" gun has ever been made--as you really can't "hurt" it!

Of the Post 64 era, although usually considered a new period--my second choice (to the 78-81 era) would be the first USRAC angle eject (AE) models, meaning prior to the crossbolt safety/rebounding hammer add on, which at least added a "normal" scope mounting capability as a tradeoff to no longer being the clean, uncluttered original design.
 
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By the late '60s, due to lagging sales and 'unkind' references, Winchester was forced to rethink its product. The changes begin to be noticed around the 3,400,000 serial range and these 'improved' models are characterized by a phenolic instead of a steel buttplate. Let's call this receiver style, 3a. These guns, while not up to the Pre-64 standards, were nevertheless vast improvements over the immediately previous design.
"No stamped parts are found in this version. Newly machined internals were designed and properly fitted, and consequently the action becomes considerably smoother and tighter..."

Thank you for the concise reply. This is the kind of information I was looking for, not the "they're a piece of crap" statements without any other facts. I guess mine with a serial number above 3,700,000 falls into the improved model range. The wood on it while not highly figured, is American walnut and is fitted well and, as I stated, there isn't any stamped parts on it. Plus, it goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
 
Now I'm just confused

I've been tracking with highpower 3006 on this thread. I love my 94, produced circa 1971, in the 3,666,000 serial number range. I bought it when I was 20 years old in 1988 for $120 in a pawn shop, and it was quite "experienced" even then. Since that day I have been quite happy with it--it shoots where I aim it, and always goes bang when I pull the trigger.

perhaps I'm not as sophistiphicated as others with regard to fit and finish, wood and steel, and I might even not recognize the treasure of a pre-64 if I were holding one. Either way, I'll never part with my '94!

in the end, it's all about what makes us happy.
 
my second choice (to the 78-81 era) would be the first USRAC angle eject (AE) models, meaning prior to the crossbolt safety/rebounding hammer add on, which at least added a "normal" scope mounting capability as a tradeoff to no longer being the clean, uncluttered original design.
That's the one I have, gak; serial no. 52592xx. I bought it used 25 years ago for $150.00. Though it's an AE model, I never scope my lever-actions (the one exception being a Savage Model 99) and have equipped all of mine with the Williams receiver sight. My Model 94 has a very nice, sraight-figured (but still figured) walnut stock, close-fitted parts and an even and deep blue job. The trigger, however, leaves a lot to be desired: long, creepy and crunchy. The little carbine, lousy trigger, peep sight and all, will still give me three shots in just under two inches @ 100 yards with factory, 170 grain Cor-Lokt bullets from a rest.
 
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I had a thought that maybe I could pick up a used one cheap just to have and went in GunBroker to check. Holy smokes! The prices they are getting for some less then nice condition 94's is mind boggling! And if you want a pre-64 version. Hang on to your hats! It must be the nostalgia thing since there are much better 30-30's out there.

And I don't see a regular 94 for sale at Cabela's or Gander. Did they discontinue making these? Too bad if so. They are a classic. Lot's of competition also now.

I noticed that Win 94's have gone up on gunbroker.com as well. I've been looking to buy a gently used Win 94 for some time but whenever I go to gunbroker the vast majority of them have their values overstated (especially the beat up looking Win 94's)....AND you'll notice that a lot of them don't sell either. I'd say your best bet is to shop at your local gun store or pawnshop to get a fair deal.
 
Too many to choose from. From old timers who still work well, to new fangled angle eject with safety switch here (cross bolt) or safety switch there (tang) or no safety switch a'tall. Buckhorn sights, peeps, tang or even glass for old eyes.

Long barrel or short. Trappers too. Round or octagonal. Handgun rounds to rifle chamberings, even a shotgun round saw its way into the 94 series...

Shhhhhh (looks around and whispers), look up old Ted Williams Sears sleepers on gunbroker. Kinda homely. Says Sears on it... Shhhhh... Keep it quiet. o.k.?

How many million 94's did Winchester make over the years? 7 million plus? With that many to choose from they aren't all worth their weight in gold.

One will come along when ya least expect it. Be ready for it.
 
If the name on the rifle is not so important, Sears sold a version of the '94 with the Ted Williams brand ( Williams was a baseball player). In years long past, our sheriff would auction confiscated firearms and those owned by his department that had become surplus to their needs. Confiscated arms often were from hunting violations. I bought a Ted Williams Model 100, 30-30 lever action , obviously a '94, with 20" barrel and the magazine tube is just 5/8" shorter than the barrel. Obviously carried in the wet several times with no care, but not pitted. I think it was $120.00.
Sears also sold firearms and ammo with the name J.C. Higgins.
 
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