Win 1300 vs. Rem 870...

That's really the nuts and bolts of it.

Pick a 870, 1300, 500/590, or a 37. Reality is that almost always the shooter is going to be the determining factor in whether or not it works as advertised. The shotgun is just a tool. So long as you choose a decent one the rest is up to you.

Painting with a very broad brush, almost all the issues related to shotgun quality occur when 1 gun or a group of guns are shared among multiple shooters in a work enviroment (LEO, military, security, etc).
 
Romulus, you sure you didn't get a knock-off "Lemington 870 Porice" made in Taiwan?...But by every account the Rem 870P is a beefed-up version designed for hard use. Only the perspective buyer can decide whether it's worth the additional cost.
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hehe, nope, it's the genoo-ine article...and it has "Police Magnum" stamped on the receiver. Regarding the beefed-up Police magnum: If anything the receiver on the Express is beefier, as this is not ground and polished, and has no milled and serrated flat on the top like the Police receiver. Less metal removed in finishing operations makes for more metal, hence for a beefier product. From the looks of it, the receiver billet of the Express is internally machined only, while the exterior (you can still see the wrinkles from the trip hammer or whatever those marks are) is merely blasted with traffic bond (or black beauty on a good day.) The amount removed in finishing the Police receiver is marginal, I guess, but it ends up with less metal nonetheless.

I remember miking the two barrels after hearing about the Police "heavier" barrel and again the Express RS barrel miked in marginally bigger OD than the beaded polished and blued Police barrel.

Methinks a lot of myth surrounds the Police. It sure is purtier, though...
 
Remington 870 Vs Winchester 1300

I've owned a Mossberg 500, a couple of 870s and a couple of Ithaca 37s in the past. I currently own a Win 1300 and a Benneli Nova. I've liked them all but each have their own "character" and plusses and minusses, depending on your individual preferences and needs. For instance, I prefer steel receivers for no better reason than I am kind of traditional minded (yes, I know I have a Nova! :) ) and I guess the bottom ejection feature offered by the Ithaca and the Bowning BPS ( as well as the long discontinued Marlin 120-which I also used to own ) is a good idea. The location of the saftey is important to me: the best spot IMO is on the tang (like on the Mossberg and the BPS) and the next best(though awfully easy to disengage inadvertently) is situated ON the rear of the trigger guard (as on the long discontinued Browning DoubleAuto). I do much prefer a safety located in the front area of the trigger guard (as on the 1300 and the Nova) as opposed to being mounted on the back area (like the Ithaca and the Remington) of the guard...One reason I decided on the 1300 over the 870 was the method of mounting a scope: the 1300 is drilled and tapped for conventional bases (which is included in the purchase) whereas the 870 relies on a cantelever system (which I personally don't care for). IMO, again, it really does come down to what features are most important for each individual.FWIW IMO without a doubt, the best American made pump shotgun FOR THE MONEY is the Mossberg 500-and that's been the case for a LONG time!
 
I think the cantilever is a brilliant idea...it minimizes, if not eliminates, the need to rezero the scope after the barrel is removed for cleaning or other service
 
Cantilever : Brilliant Idea

A good point, Romulus, and I wouldn't argue it except to say in my experience in removing the barrel and replacing it more than a few times with a scope mounted on my Win 1300, I have not noticed any significant change in the point of impact at 75 yard distances. Other 1300s and certainly other makes might well fare differently. A cantilever mounting system would seem to mitigate a potential change of point of impact problem. IMO, they sure are UGLY though :barf: ...
 
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