Will we ever see "modern" surplus firearms?

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dakota.potts

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Obviously the M4s and most of the M16s are out for being select fire, but I'm curious about other things issued to the military right now. Mossberg and REmington shotguns, R700 sniper rifles, M9 handguns, Benelli M4 shotguns, etc.

Are there any US military surplus firearms that we're going to eventually see? Anything newer than the Garand or some GI Colts? They would be an interesting boost to the market in my opinion.
 
With the current government dislike for guns it is probably unlikely. The Beretta 9mms would be a candidate if there were such sales.
 
Yeah, while it would never happen- it WOULD be cool to have a lower marked FN or Hydromatic Transmission.
 
it wont happen. Most of the shotguns will undoubtedly be non compliant with some state like new york or california, thus making hte government say "they arent safe anywhere".
 
There have been Mossberg pumps and the .308 and .300WM sniper rifles sold as surplus within the last few years.

M4 (carbines) could have the FCG removed. The military configured Benelli M4s are not 922R compliant, so they would also have to be converted back to lower capacity.

One would think a lot of M9s would be hitting the market in a few years. :) Time will tell.

There are modern surplus .22 rifles currently available, Savage and Anschutz.
 
Yeah, while it would never happen- it WOULD be cool to have a lower marked FN or Hydromatic Transmission.
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Don't know about the transmission but you CAN get an FN marked lower, they are selling civvie ARs now. However, the rumor is that they aren't quite built to the same standards as their military contract counterparts. Just what I've read on the internet, I'm not sure how much I believe it yet.

Getting a FN rifle marked "US RIFLE Cal 5.56mm M16A4" is a different story.
 
Someone came up with a method, acceptable to ATF, to convert M14s to semi-auto, which would appear to clear the way for their being available through CMP, but that's much less likely now, than it was when they'd just been sitting in storage for 20 years.
And, I'm sure thousands of them were cut up in the last ~20 years, so maybe not enough to make a program worthwhile.
 
it makes me sick thinking of all those semi-auto firearms the USG has de-milled over the years. What would someone pay here for a USG 1911 if they had done a sale on a large scale? We could have paid down a huge chunk of the national debt with what those things bring on the market today.
 
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We could have paid down a huge chunk of the national debt with what those things bring on the market today.
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You must have a very different definition of "huge chunk" than I do.

Current national debt is just over $17,500,000,000,000.

Let's just say that the government sold EVERY single 1911 that they had ever purchased for $2,000 each, and used 100% of that money to pay down the national debt.

((2,700,000 X $2,000) / 17,500,000,000,000) x 100 = .03%

That is 3/100's of 1%, not a "huge chunk" to me.

Now if they could pay off 10%, heck, even 5%, I would be willing to consider that a "huge chunk".

But to make it to 5% would mean selling every 1911 they ever bought for about $325,000 each!
 
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M4 (carbines) could have the FCG removed. The military configured Benelli M4s are not 922R compliant, so they would also have to be converted back to lower capacity.
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Replace "FCG" with "receiver" and you'd be correct. Parts kits are the only option for previously full automatic weapons. Not a huge deal, them being ARs and everything, but we'll never see surplused M4's on the market as-made. They'd be dual-tax-stamp weapons after all, making them slightly less dangerous than a hydrogen bomb (when are we gonna see those surplused? :p)

To be honest, I'd be happy with mere parts kits. Metal shredders are cheaper and more copacetic with the idiot public, however (and that's why we'll never see parts kits for France's clapped-out <hah-hah, stereotype pun :D> FAMAS towel-bar rifles :()

I personally think there will be a re-emergence of semi-auto weapons used away from the front lines, simply because F/A is used so infrequently, so perhaps there will be a chance of getting milsurp AR15's and whatnot, someday. Perhaps the emerging DMR niche of weapons will tend to be semi-automatic, as well.

'Twould require feats of political, bureaucratic, and public will to get Uncle Sugar's auto-loading weapons sold to civilians once more, though.

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We humans are way to politically correct, risk averse and wasteful.

Every penny saved is a penny earned, and that's something out leaders should be reminded of.

Police departments and the DoD waste tremendous assets destroying guns. Period.

These things should be put right back into circulation when they are no longer wanted by LEO and .gov.

Sadly, we've all seen photos and videos of truckloads of weapons destroyed.

To answer the OP, perhaps someday semi-autos and bolt actions may be on the market. In my 4 deployments, I carried an M4 each time but only one was full-auto capable. So there are semi-autos out there.

Problem is the attitude of some politicians - particularly the current one - won't even release semi-auto M1 Garands from Korea back to the US.

So, unless we put pro-gun leaders in, the odds are zero for pro-gun rights.
 
The Clinton administration set a terrible precedent by melting down Garands and M14's rather than releasing them to the CMP. I don't see anyone bucking that trend any time soon.
 
Increasingly around the world we are seeing guns destroyed rather than sold off, and there are treaties mandating this. The impetus comes from England, and Canada.
 
The 1911 wasn't surplused till after 8 decades or so. If it hadn't been replaced they would still be rebuilding them.

The same thing will happen with the M9
 
Once a machinegun, always a machinegun.

Back in the '60s, the ATF didn't say squat when CMP sold selective fire only M-2 Carbines. All fun parts were removed of course. Modernly, they probably would not permit it.
 
In order for this to happen...

Several current federal laws would have to be repealed or significantly altered.

In order to do that, the Congress - both houses - would have to be controlled past a simply majority by Conservative minded individuals. That in the common tongue means Tea Party Republicans. Current 'mainstream' Republicans are too politically correct to actually do such a thing.

Additionally, the President would have to be Tea Party Republican (or Libertarian) as well; no one else would sign such alterations to such laws.

Short of that, it'll happen when the theological place of eternal punishment is suitable for ice skating.
 
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