Will guns and ammo for civilian use ever be banned entirely in the U.S.?

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In New York you can't own anything but shotguns or long guns with permits, and handguns are extremely expensive *something for the rich elites that run New York only*. You can thank Michael Bloomberg the 30th richest person worth 16 billion for all this craziness in NY city.

It just goes to show you where money like that can get you these days, he practically owns and runs NY City. Another shining star example of government for the rich and by the rich. The only way to be trusted in NY with a handgun is if you are rich.

If you're rich you can hire personal attorneys in NY city to see to it you get your handgun permit after you literally have to pay thousands. Another example of politicians not looking out for the little guy "the voters" (on a rant anyway back to the topic). Of course only 45 minutes away from Downtown Manhattan you can be in Connecticut.

Ahh yes Connecticut, a State where you can own Handguns, Semi auto AK's and just about anythin gun wise. However If you take that same handgun from Connecticut into New York city just 45 minutes away, you might find yourself caught by one of Michael Bloomberg's Henchmen..*cough* I mean the police, arrested and then living on Rikers Island for a very long time, just for being a "supposed criminal having a weapon". (It's a crazy world we live in today).

That being said States like Illinois, Massachusetts etc. have all talked about marking ammo and forcibly destroying it after a certain amount of time, and states like Illinois have banned open carry in a lot of areas.

By now you are probably asking, what's your point? Well I have some points/questions that I'd like people to give their opinions on.

1. With the craziness happening in some states and cities will guns be outlawed or AT LEAST HEAVILY restricted like they are in NY city someday across the entire U.S.??

2. If scenario #1 happens what do you plan to do about it if anything, and what do you think people SHOULD do about it as a society?

3. What restrictions do you are likely to happen in the near future i.e. 50 years or less, either where you live or nationally, and what if anything do you plan to do about it?

4. Do you think the cause of heavy gun restrictions and banning in places like NY city is caused by eneducated people? Corrupt Politicians? Uneducated Politicans? Both? Etc. Who's fault do you think it is?

5. My last question is if guns and ammo are outlawed or heavily restricted for civilians, do you think that will create a mass black market or gun trading and drastically increase the value of guns and ammo? In essence do you think people will just lie back and take it, or will a black market form (much like the prohibition of alcohol days)?

I'm curious to see what you guys think about this. You are free to give your opinion on some/ all of this.

Peace and happy shooting!! ;)
 
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If guns and ammo were ever truly outlawed in the US I would imagine there would be a lot of politicians getting shot at.
 
Given the two recent Supreme Court decisions - Heller and McDonald - and the way that the NRA and SAF are going after states and cities not in compliance, I would expect the next decade to be a tough one for the anti-gun crowd.
 
OP, you sound like an NRA ad.

To answer your questions:
1. No
2. None, find a new hobby
3. None, nothing.
4. No, no, no, no. No one is at fault, China just took over the world.
5. Yes and yes to black market.
 
It is unlikely that guns themselves will be outlawed. Restricted and registered are a dim possibility as the States control such things.It has always been the intention of certain political parties to destroy the 2nd amendment ever since the 1968 Gun Control Act. (Which as I am told was modeled after the German pre- WWII gun control and proposed by a CT. Senator) As we all know if a government can not control it's people because they fear an armed society they will ban all weapons to protect the power mongers.
It is much more likely that the anti gunners will tax us out of the ability to own anything, that includes cars, houses, boats etc. Now that Congress has run the country into bankruptcy redistributing wealth.
With the current political upheaval throughout this country the advancement of the web and instant information those who govern for profit of themselves i.e. "by the rich for the rich" will seek out more ways to keep themselves in power.
FEAR A GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS YOUR GUN RIGHTS
Mace
 
Amendment X-

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

This is one of my favorite amendments to our Constitution. It basically says that any powers not given to the Federal Government by the Constitution belong to the States, and the People. That means that there are safeguards against this kind of thing. And while some States, like NY, have taken it upon themselves to pass near-de facto bans on personal protection, there are other states (Texas, Indiana, Tennessee, Vermont, Alaska, Utah, Florida...) that will NEVER pass such legislation and will never see such a ban.

Once you've paid enough attention to these legislators and the effects their policies have on populations, you begin to see the increasing number of people that understand the limitations and harm caused by these policies and laws. Enough so that you realize such a ban could never exist in a country with so many people just like us. Why? Because we wouldn't LET it happen.

-Cold Dead Fingers. Remember?

~LT
 
Heller and McDonald turned the tide. NYC and Washington DC are the exception, not the rule and will become islands in a rising sea of gun rights.

Brown v Board of Education wiped out school desegregation in 1954. Yet nine years later in 1963 George Wallace still stood in a school house door trying to block it in Alabama, just as Bloomberg and the Washington DC city council are frantically trying to cling to their obsolete beliefs. Despite Wallace's efforts, desegregation happened. Bloomberg's efforts will be just as futile.
 
My thoughts on this are this is exactly what makes our country so great. One of the strengths is we are a collection of 50 states and the states themselves can make a lot of their own laws. So ... some states will (or already have) become gun un-friendly. I personally will not live or work in any of those states. To bad for those states as I consider myself desirable (I have good skills, have worked all my life, and god knows I pay massive taxes!). The states with reasonable gun laws will get my skills, my work ethic, and my tax dollars. The same is true for my sons. I won't move to a state because of it's gun laws, ie Texas is better than MN but that alone would not get me to move there. However a good job offer from Texas and I might be packing tomorrow. On the other hand, no job offer in the world from NY, NJ, IL, or CA is going to get me to move there. If they are gun un-friendly or leaning that way, that state is on my black list. In the end I think there will always be many gun friendly states as pro gun people (and all their tax dollars) align themselves with those states. The way states handle gun policy is just going to be another thing that polarizes some states from the rest.

LordTio3 ... nice post (yea, what he said)
 
Unlikely, but possible. It would require a very liberal Supreme Court willing to reverse Heller and other decisions. The ongoing debates about Roe v Wade on abortion show how difficult reversal is.
 
Not so long as our Constitution is honored and has at least a partial group of politicicans that see it for what it does (limit government powers) the rest ignore it... (See Kalfornia, ChiKago)
 
Won't happen. Not without a huge sea change regarding our nation's attitude toward the RKBA.

Heller and McDonald, although they may stand out as decisions, do indeed establish something of a floor for gun rights. You can't issue a flat out ban. Even if you could, remember that before Heller, we were living in that kind of situation; states and localities COULD ban things outright, but they only managed to pull it off in a few locations. If the anti-gun forces had the ability to lay down bans across this land, they'd have done so before Heller came about.

In a post-Heller world, that course of action is prohibited. Now, there's still room for restriction, but I just don't see how guns can be completely banned for civilian use without enough of a change in the nation so SCOTUS overturns Heller or the US repeals the Second Amendment.

Just not likely to ever happen.
 
I think it is very unlikley because any politician that would ban guns would be ending their career in doing so. The gun rights people tend to vote and they political people don't want to lose those votes. Also, Obama is prob the most anti-gun politician in the country and even as President for over 2 plus years we still are doing ok. Well.....most places. A state like California could possibly put a total ban on it because they elect so many anti-gun people. However as a nation I don't think so.
 
In New York you can't own anything but shotguns or long guns with permits, and handguns are extremely expensive *something for the rich elites that run New York only*. You can thank Michael Bloomberg the 30th richest person worth 16 billion for all this craziness in NY city.
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Sullivan Act was in place long before Bloomberg

They do not have to outlaw ammunition - all they have to do is make lead bullets illegal to start and then have another excise tax on top of what's left. When a single bullet for a 9X19 costs about $5 each, how many will be going to ranges to shoot? Not too many, which means the ranges close down and it becomes self-fulfilling.

It is happening now with old time trap ranges that are now "too close" as the city grew. First they made them use no-tox shot and then noise violations - it doesn't take much to make your gun a nice paper weight
 
1. With the craziness happening in some states and cities will guns be outlawed or AT LEAST HEAVILY restricted like they are in NY city someday across the entire U.S.?? Yes, it absolutely can happen, and I'd bet that some time in the future (can't give you a date) it will happen. Our right to own firearms is only as good as we desire as citizens to protect it. The 2nd Amendment is meaningless, without the "will of the people".

2. If scenario #1 happens what do you plan to do about it if anything, and what do you think people SHOULD do about it as a society?Join the NRA. I can't say this enough. Join the NRA! And, if you think the NRA has betrayed you in the past, doesn't represent you strong enough, then join the NRA AND any other gun group you feel better represents your rights. The NRA has done more to unify us as a group of gun owners and gun industry representatives than any other organization by far. The other thing you can do is buy guns, buy ammo, buy gun stuff - support the industry. The economic viability of the gun industry is directly tied to politicians' interest in protecting your gun rights. Get your friends and relatives into shooting too.

3. What restrictions do you are likely to happen in the near future i.e. 50 years or less, either where you live or nationally, and what if anything do you plan to do about it? Near future? I'd say possible "assault weapon" ban, ban on "high capacity" magazines, weapons registration, licensing requirements. What do I plan to do about it? Buy all of the guns with evil features I could possibly ever want and hold onto them, with a generous supply of ammo as well.

4. Do you think the cause of heavy gun restrictions and banning in places like NY city is caused by eneducated people? Corrupt Politicians? Uneducated Politicans? Both? Etc. Who's fault do you think it is?I think folks who are from New York City have a completely different mindset then people from the rest of the nation. They tend to be liberal and have a fear of guns as well as a fear of anything that doesn't live inside a concrete box surrounded by millions of other concrete boxes. NYC gives me the creeps - whenever I have to go there I always feel like I'm inside of a huge mausoleum stuffed to the walls with creatures frantically buzzing around.

5. My last question is if guns and ammo are outlawed or heavily restricted for civilians, do you think that will create a mass black market or gun trading and drastically increase the value of guns and ammo? In essence do you think people will just lie back and take it, or will a black market form (much like the prohibition of alcohol days)? Yes. For some guns, prices will go up. Ammo will go up in price. No, most people will not simply turn in their guns and ammo willingly. They will be owned and possessed illegally.
 
When the second amendment was made, we had primitive firearms.

Now, we have high capacity repeating weapons.

Who knows what we'll have in another 200 years? Who knows what our government will be like? Our AR-15s will become curios and relics... while the new generations have access to laser weapons or something.

Provided we survive till then, I don't know. Eventually, yes, assuming that our race and government will survive until then.

As far as question 5, it depends. If law enforcement personnel are the only ones allowed to have firearms, we'll be able to get them- most likely.
 
Gun powder isn't that difficult to make if you take precautions and anybody with patience and mechanical skill can and do make their own firearms. If fire arms and/or ammo is banned there will be more black market for guns and components than you ever dreamed of. One thing about prohibition of anything. It never stopped people from getting the prohibited item, it just made that item profitable for dealers and illegal to own by law abiding people.

Bloomberg may be the south end of a mule but stupid he isn't. A complete ban would be stupid to the Nth. power and even that fruitcake knows it.
 
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