Will America win? Poll

Will America win a clear-cut victory in Iraq?

  • YES

    Votes: 36 43.4%
  • NO

    Votes: 47 56.6%

  • Total voters
    83
No....wrong angle there

Just that we seem to get complacent about these things.....

Terrorists were in the US far before we started the war in Iraq. The war has already been bought here twice. How long before the third time and the time after that? They are still active here and trying to recruit new members. The war is already here.

Was my point........

As far as Iraq....leaving is not an option now.
 
There can not be a clear cut victory without an unconditional surrender.
Without Saddam's government in place, there can be no unconditional surrender.
So, no, no clear cut victory.
That does not mean we will not accomplish our goals.
This is not about "victory".
 
Eghad- I guess your fuse just aint reaching my powder. Are you saying we need to devote more resources to combat terrorists already here? If so, then I agree. There are state level anti-terrorism divisions whose existances aren't known about because they don't seek publicity. The problem in the U.S. is a law enforcement one and, as such, restricted (rightly so) to the constraints placed upon the police as in any other law enforcement application. A military response abroad isn't necessarily detracting from domestic efforts.
Steve
 
My point being that folks say they would rather fight the war there than here in the US...

The war is already here and has been. We were just asleep at the wheel. As Rich mentioned it was happening before Iraq was invaded. I am sure it will be happening as long as errorist groups like Al Queda exist . Now we have them recruiting in our prisions. Osama and the future bin Ladens wont rest until western civilization is subjagted which is not likely to happen. They consider the average joe just as guilty as the US Government because we pay taxes and elect people who support the war. So any US citizen is a legitimate target in thier view. Even if we establish a democratic government in Iraq and stabilize it that is just a step in the 'War on Terrorism" which will not end till we eradicate the breeding grounds for terrorists. This is not going to be a short war.....
 
so the World Trade Center 1993 bombing and and 9/11 were our choice of grounds?

In this type of warfare there is no definitive ground of battle. This is not a force on force battle. Luckily we came awake after 9/11.....and have some domestic stuff going on. Iraq is only one of the areas we are fighting terrorism in.

However, Osama and his bunch have a 10 year headstart on us. lot of ground to make up. They didnt get the World Trade Center in 1993 but they had patience and did get it in 2001.

When will they hit on US soil again?

The terrorists aim is to force the government or population to change it agenda throuhg the extreme use of violence. They are doing that in Iraq day in and day out. How much of the population has the Iraq war on the backburner because it doesnt effect them? The terrorists excercised that option in the UK with thier security measures. The greatest effect would be another attack on American soil. I beleive its just a matter of when.
 
The original question accomplishes what? Nobody can predict the outcome. Tell me, does killing fundamentalist in Iraq reduce attacks at home? Is the possibility of some form of democracy in Iraq worth the effort? Might it eventually result in weakening other regional despots? Would Libya have given up WMD programs without our involvement in Iraq? How about this, would a much more aggressive war have yielded more positive results? Has the U.S. left emboldened our enemies and weakened our security?
 
We could have a clear cut victory if the socialists in our Government and newpapers would shut up and stay home. They won't be happy until they make it thier new Vietnam. It gives them a good feeling to repeat history! You know, thier victory no matter what the cost to everyone else...
 
A win seems unlikely -- the American People are already stampeding. If the terrorists are smart enough to not launch another attack in the U.S. any time soon, support for the war in Iraq will dissipate completely, and we will be forced to bring our troops home and Iraq will continue to be a bloody sore.
 
We could have a clear cut victory if the socialists in our Government and newspapers would shut up and stay home.
I don't think censorship or name calling will solve our problem(s).

The reality IS: We won't have anymore troops a year from now or even six months from now. In FACT we will have fewer troops a year from now. Where have you been? We haven't met our recruiting goals for months and that's with the standards reduced! It is a matter of record, our military leadership has already warned that we only have the resources to maintain our current effort until next summer. It's not a simple question of right or wrong and the solution is not "faith-based", it's a question based on time and numbers, both are against us. Start the draft soon or we WILL loose control of Iraq. If their isn't enough commitment in America to support a draft, then cut our losses NOW! The majority of Americans are against the war in Iraq. How many more would be against the war if we had a draft?
 
so the World Trade Center 1993 bombing and and 9/11 were our choice of grounds?
Could you rephrase the question? We were discussing the war in Iraq. I'm pretty sure you have some deep meaning that is beyond my limited powers of perception.
 
Meek its called the "Global War on Terrorism"... for some reason some folks beleive victory in Iraq will be the magic bullet against any more acts of terror on our soil.

Iraq is only the first step in whats going to be a long battle.
 
Iraq was put together in 1919 by the Big Four; Great Britain, France, Italy and the U.S.; at the end of "The War to End all Wars" or in President Woodrow Wilson's mind, the war to make the "World Safe for Democracy". Iraq was formed from three dissimilar provinces of the dissolved Ottoman Empire.

There has been a war in Iraq ever since.

U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R)-Texas has some thoughts on this. Here is a link:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul274.html
 
help me here...

Telewinz,

telewinz said:
The reality IS: We won't have anymore troops a year from now or even six months from now. In FACT we will have fewer troops a year from now. Where have you been? We haven't met our recruiting goals for months and that's with the standards reduced!
I don't have a bag of references handy, so i spent 20 minutes with Google trying to corroborate these claims. Do you have any links to reports that state how far recruitment is down, and which goals we are falling short of? I could fall 50% short of my goal of doubling my salary and still be doing just fine...

Regarding recruitment being down, i would believe it, and it wouldn't surprise me down during times of war, at least not in this day and age when the romanticism of war is long gone and see the smoking corpses and scrambling troops on the front lines with ever increasing clarity. However, that doesn't mean that our military is dwindling to nothing.

telewinz said:
It is a matter of record, our military leadership has already warned that we only have the resources to maintain our current effort until next summer.
What kind of resources? People? Equipment? Supplies? You don't build your military budget around wartime spending...so the extra money it takes to fund a specific war must be budgeted on a demand basis. If the military leadership needs another $100B to keep things moving in Iraq, don't you think they are going to need to make a case, even a dramatic case, to allow those that sign the check to do so without upsetting their constituency?

telewinz said:
It's not a simple question of right or wrong and the solution is not "faith-based", it's a question based on time and numbers, both are against us.
I completely agree that the question of how to succeed in Iraq, or the GWOT, is not simple. But 'faith', to the extent that it relates to a belief in things that you cannot see (yet), i think has everything to do with it. This is the number one thing that i believe our mainstream media does a disservice to. Even with the perceived 'slant', just talking about some of the positive things that are happening (and are regularly discussed in milblogs around the world) would do a lot.

telewinz said:
Start the draft soon or we WILL loose control of Iraq.
We will lose control of Iraq when we walk away from a job half done.

telewinz said:
If their isn't enough commitment in America to support a draft, then cut our losses NOW!
And create another Afghanistan?

telewinz said:
The majority of Americans are against the war in Iraq. How many more would be against the war if we had a draft?
This was the statement that motivated me to hit reply. I have three questions:

1 - Where is this majority? Are they all in the closet or something??? I live in the same red state you do, and while i do know people that do not vocally support the war, they do not represent anything close to a 'majority' of the people i know. I will admit that the people that do vocally oppose the war are, in general, people that have sufficiently different perspectives on everything else in life that i don't really socialize with them. So, maybe it's me that's in the closet, and maybe over half of the people i bump into on a regular basis really ARE against the war...but i don't believe it.

2 - What are they against? Are they against us starting the war? Are they against us continuing the war? Are they against the way we are prosecuting the war?

3 - This may be a little tougher to sell, but who cares? I didn't vote this mystery majority into office, and i do not entrust my freedom to them. Why, then, do i even care what they have to say? I am interested in what my faith has to say, and what those who are directly involved in the war have to say, both US and Iraqi citizens. I'm even able to muster a bit of interest in what those involved with the war from other countries have to say... but i really don't care one iota what Joe three doors down has to say.

I honestly believe that a draft is the last option that anyone , including the leadership of the US military, wants to consider. There are other ways to address any potential personnel shortages. What do you think a $500 million dollar marketing campaign plus a $25K signing bonus plus a $50K 'hazardous duty' raise would do for recruiting numbers and current morale? It might cost $5-10B (or ~$25 per man, woman and child in the country), but it would get the job done.

Edited to add: BTW, i didn't vote, because as many have already noted, the question asked, like every other poll i see in the media, slaps too many things together into one statement. I believe we CAN successfully complete our mission in Iraq, but the 'WIN' is up to the Iraqi people that dig in and work hard and build a nation.
 
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