Wife/husband/significant other objects to ccw

quiller333
Wife/husband/significant other objects to ccw

Well, I would normally say get rid of 'em, but after 40 years, it's probably not going to happen! :D

Ok, seriously... Does she shoot? Has she handled firearms? So, after 40 years, I'm guessing you two are at least in your late 50's early 60's, right? Ask her if she thinks you can take on an 20 YO thug...one on one, hand to hand... How about one armed with a just a knife. Ask her if she can protect you of something bad were to happen.

What you shouldn't do is lie by omission and try to carry w/o her knowledge. After 40 years, it ain't happening, and you're fooling yourself if you think it will. ;)
 
Quiller333 said:

Same deal holds: a million to one chance of us being in an Aurora, CO or Virginia Tech situation, but I never want to find us hiding in a mall, defenseless, waiting to be killed by some nutjob.

I'm in total agreement. I'm pretty sure that thought motivates a lot of us here.

There's lots of really good advice here and for my part I recommend you read post #19 by Pax again and see if you can't use that advice.

Also, Quiller333 are you still with us?
 
How could anybody call this kind of setup-a threat with the pistol inside?

It may not be the most ideal access, but it's safe! :D
 

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Well, the only thing I can add to pax's learned post has already been said above. Do you really want to ruin a 40-year marriage by lying to her? Bad move. Monumentally bad move. And if you've been in the habit for the past 40 years (doubtful), knock it off!! :eek:

Follow the pax playbook and, God willing, you'll both make clear of this.
 
Still here. Just waiting for the feedback to come in.

Glad I posted the question. I talked to a good friend about the matter and raised it here because I needed perspective. I am very impressed with the responses.

Everyone basically said, you shouldn't lie or keep it a secret. Never intended to lie; did intend to try to keep it a secret. But the arguments against that course were sound, so no secret purchase.

So, an honest heart-to-heart yesterday. Couldn't budge her. She believes carrying puts us at risk: you're mugged, frisked, mugger finds the gun, shoots you; you're carjacked, you try to get to the gun, the carjacker gets it first, kills you. Etc., etc.

I said there are numerous instances of people--men, women--who saved themselves and loved ones because they carried, and I can't recall hearing of a single instance of someone who carries having the gun turned on them. I showed her three stories of women who saved themselves by carrying. She did not find those stories particularly convincing.

I appreciate every single response, especially warrior1256, scrubcedar and seeker_two. (Warrior1256, she has not "forbidden" the purchase. She says that if I carried she would be very uncomfortable--heavy emphasis on "very." In this way, she's smart. After being married so long, she knows that the surest way to get me to do something is to forbid it.)

Most especially, I want to thank pax for her brilliant response. In fact, after reading what she wrote, I thought I'd show my wife pax's statement, then decided that I'd just show her the whole thread. (Pax's corneredcat.com site is a wonderful resource.)

Finally, I just bought a gun safe, as some of you recommended; the suggestions concerning additional classes make perfect sense, as well.

That's where it stands.
 
Lookin' like the post has been a positive experience for you... Glad to see how warm you read it all..

And YES!!! Pax's "cornered cat" site is THEE sole link I provide when the subject comes up of women and guns, kids around guns...

I even "share" it on facebook a few times per year as well...

Brent
 
As others have said, keepin' secrets from your wife never becomes a good thing unless it is a present for her. My wife, altho she grew up around guns and married me knowing well I was a gun enthusiast was uncomfortable at first with the loaded 1911 in the nightstand. She soon became familiar with it and realized it would not go off by itself. Now when something goes bump in the night or the dog barks suspiciously at something, she tells me to grab it and go downstairs and check. When CCW became legal in Wisconsin and I started to carry the J-Frame, she also was uncomfortable and asked, Do you really need to take that everywhere we go?". Wasn't but a few months and she began to not even notice whether I had it on me or not. When we go out to eat with friends and I drink pop instead of a mixed drink, when friends ask why, she is the one that tells them, "he's doin' it for your protection....." and says no more. Some know what's she's talkin' about, most don't.

You need to impress upon your wife that it is not just something you do for you. You need to show her how safe CCWing really is. You need to show her examples out in public where having a weapon on you is a good thing and being alone and unarmed is not. Do that well and correctly and odds are she will come around.
 
If an attacker had the ability to overpower you and take your gun, he probably had the ability to kill you anyway.

In any case, training gives you another the best chance possible to deal with the situation.

I've been through the situation. For me it just took time. In the meantime, I got my permit, started carrying, took whatever training I could afford. In my situation, the wife was more worried about me thwarting an attack and being put in jail for it. My response was, "So you'd rather I was killed than in jail?" She's still not crazy about it.
 
While I am not married nor will I be in the next 5 years most likely, I do have to say that my enthusiasm for weapons and my AR has made quite a few women uncomfortable. I enjoyed reading through this (althought I cant ever carry in cali) to gain perspective on how to future deal with a girl I am with and feels this way.
 
Every creature is willing to defend itself. Survival and reproduction are the most basic of instincts.
God did not see fit to equip us with razor sharp claws or teeth, a tough fur covered hide, brute strength, deadly toxins or lightning speed. No, he equipped us with superior intellegence, allowing us to fashion the tools needed to survive, such as clothing, tools, shelter and weapons.
You simply wish to fulfill what your basic insticts are demanding you do. Self defense being one of the strongest.
To do otherwise would be contrary to human nature and a person who denies thier nature is an unhappy person, and in the case of attack, possibly a dead person.
 
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In my situation, the wife was more worried about me thwarting an attack and being put in jail for it. My response was, "So you'd rather I was killed than in jail?" She's still not crazy about it.

Wayne ~ join the ACLDN. Let her know you've joined an organization that's specifically designed to help you avoid jail to begin with.

Btw, to answer a common question, ACLDN is not insurance. Insurance pays out after you are acquitted, if you are -- which means your insurance company really doesn't have any reason to help you avoid being charged or convicted. ACLDN is different. It provides legal education up front to help you defend yourself within the bounds of the law. If you do defend yourself using a firearm, ACLDN pays a chunk of money to your lawyer at the first sign of legal trouble. They come alongside immediately to help you avoid being charged in the first place, and provide expertise throughout the entire cycle of events so you can step off the danger train as soon as possible.

pax
 
You've been married for 40 years, you know this isn't going to end well IF you lie to her!!
Play to your "fraility" in taking on the 20 year old armed BG.
Get her to shoot a .22 LR pistol, just once. Then work from there.
 
The wife was not happy either, but I explained why I was doing it. It was to protect myself and my children. I offered her numerous examples of local stories where things could have ended differently if the victim was armed.

Not a happy woman for a while but hey if she opposed it that much she could opt out. I am opting in. The real world has convinced her I am doing the right thing. Then a meth head with a knife robbed an old lady at the local grocery a mile from the house that we frequent. It was a turning point. It was real to her.

She knows I carry and has asked on occasion if I was packing as she calls it. Perhaps she was nervous about something she saw. I don't advertise it to her or anyone else. I am the only one that needs to know. I just do it. She is fine with that.
 
Wayne ~ join the ACLDN. Let her know you've joined an organization that's specifically designed to help you avoid jail to begin with.

Interesting. I have legal insurance, too, but I'll check this out.
 
My wife wanted me to carry, but she didn't care to (despite he being very comfortable with firearms of all types, and a pretty darn good rifle shot). Then a LEO friend of mine talked to her about her need to be able to defend herself because she can't carry a cop in her pocket, and harm could be but seconds away when the cops are 60 seconds away, much less 6 minutes.........
 
Tell her this: Older people are natural targets for bad guys. When you are in your 20's, 30's and 40's you can react and move quickly, and look like you can fight off (or at least cause trouble for) your average thug. As you get older the "BEAT & CARJACK ME" sign on your back gets bigger and bolder every year. Where you might be able to avoid wearing a 10 karat diamond on your finger, you can't avoid getting older and (perceptibly) weaker. If you are going to protect yourself in your older years, you will need a firearm and you will need to learn to be proficient with it while you are younger and capable of getting the proper training.

When an older person gets to the point in their lives where they need to use a cane, wheel chair or other device to assist them to get around, nobody questions that. Well, a firearm is just such a device - you can choose to be a victim or choose to learn a "new" way of providing for your own protection.
 
Issue Resolved--Sort of

Asked my wife to read the entire thread, then left the house on errands. (More chance of stuff sinking in if I'm not looking over her shoulder.)

Detected a subtle change in attitude when we discussed the matter on my return. There is no doubt she was affected by what you all said. So much common sense here. I think pax's comment impressed her the most.

She still believes what she believed, that carrying makes you less safe. (I don't think she's quite as certain as before she read the thread, however.) But I came up with a solution inspired by some comments here about the right to self-protect. It's a compromise that is far from perfect but one she can live with. I will buy the lcr but will not carry when we are out together.

I can almost hear some of you saying, "That's crazy, man! You buy the gun you carry it all the time." Well, yes. But one thing at a time. Own it and then by and by I will see if I can get her to come around.
 
I will buy the lcr but will not carry when we are out together.

I can almost hear some of you saying, "That's crazy, man!

That was my first thought, actually.

But, hey, baby steps, seems like you made good headway for one day.

Good luck to you both
 
I can almost hear some of you saying, "That's crazy, man! You buy the gun you carry it all the time." Well, yes. But one thing at a time. Own it and then by and by I will see if I can get her to come around.

Yup, one step at a time. . .
 
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