Why we should protect our borders, etc.

Univ,

I agree with you as well - the Canadian border is porous as well. Bad guys could definitely take that route. The Canadian border doesn't get the attention that the Mexican one does because there isn't a sea of people coming from Canada into the USA. It is important, though, and it's the LAW.....all we ask is that the government does its MAIN job and protect us from invasion.
(Love your tag-line there, by the way. :D )
 
Agreed! This from Dr. George Weissinger, Ph. D.
New York Institute of Technology
Department of Behavioral Science-Criminal Justice Program
"The INS estimated that there were 7 million illegal aliens residing in the United States in January 2000. According to INS, 69% of this unauthorized immigrant population was from Mexico. (USINS, 2003) However, the top 15 sending countries accounted for 89% of the total illegal alien population and included Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Honduras, China, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Philippines, Brazil, Haiti, India, Peru, Korea, and Canada. This means that a significant number of illegal aliens entered the United States through other than the Mexico-US border and that they fall under the jurisdiction of the investigations section (interior enforcement), not the Border Patrol. These statistics further indicate that the illegal alien problem is both a border and an interior enforcement problem. More importantly, the interior problem seems to be far greater than the border problem. However, the INS never placed much emphasis on interior enforcement. As a matter of fact, there is very little interior enforcement of the immigration laws going on. Interior enforcement lags behind all other functions of the agency and the INS clearly prioritized the Border Patrol function."

Basically we have no INS enforcement in this country and we are just seeing the tip of the iceburg now. It will grow worse if it is left to continue as is. It is already costing approx. $20 billion a year now. That number is expected to triple within ten years.
 
Basically we have no INS enforcement in this country and we are just seeing the tip of the iceburg now. It will grow worse if it is left to continue as is. It is already costing approx. $20 billion a year now. That number is expected to triple within ten years.
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Agreed very little enforcement and we have waited too long to make changes
"without" some form of inconvenience to all such as the drivers license
bill. For sure the matter of "uncontrolled" immigration is a time bomb and
we are going to suffer unless our government acts.

One report I read states a loss to the American taxpayer in 2002 was
"68 billion" due to immigration. How can we ever hope to solve social
security, health care, etc with this continue drain on our country, remember
the only benefit of uncontrolled immigration goes to the super wealthy,
again greed is the reason why.
 
People that use illegals are destroying the economy of the US. Illegals may "work" at a low wage but they take HUGE amounts of money by putting their kids into public schools (average $10,000 per child per year) and most especially our hospitals (ER's).

Then you have state services like our Oregon Trail, they don't verify SSN#'s, Oregon Health Care program, etc..

They have bankrupt our state and the democrats allow them to continue to do so (as do the RINO's).

And people that employ them should be put into jail.

Wayne
 
Bill O' and company are quick to always blame the government only.
Let's take a close look at the private businesses who are hiring and enabling these illegals with a nod and a wink.
We also don't have to confine ourselves to trying to stop it at just the source, either.
 
USP and Unique, amen to that. The people who employ the illegals, knowingly and willingly, are just despicable slimes and deserve to be chastised and humiliated. Since the illegals are simply going to where the jobs are, I consider the REAL source of the problem the anti-American scumbags who employ them. These people are a CANCER!
 
I found a picture that just about sums up our border security.......
 

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The Border Patrol is taking the first 21,000 people who qualify and putting them down there. Unfortunately, this seems to be WAY too little, WAY too late. INS needs to get their butts in gear and hunt down these illegals and send 'em packing.
 
SBroker8,

Huh? The BP is taking the first 21K? I don't know about now, but I do know that for fiscal year '03, only the top couple thousand out of over 100,000 applicants were hired.
 
SBrocker8,

Check out their website, that will explain it better than I ever could.
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Did that and now I see where the confusion is coming from. The Border Patrol is taking the first 21,000 applicants and from that pool selecting a final 200 employees for this fiscal year (fiscal year ’06 is supposed to see 2K hired, but we’ll have to wait and see).
 
In my profession (software development) we don't worry much about illegal aliens, who seldom have the education and skills necessary to get jobs in our industry. We do have to worry about aliens here on H-1B visas.
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Assuming that it is necessary to allow millions from South America to work at agricultural or construction or retail jobs for a sub-minimum wage...is it not also logical that we should lighten up on the requirements for H-1B Visas and allow more foriegners from other countries to come here and work at higher end jobs? I am sure there is an endless supply that would be willing to take less than you and your co-workers currently make.
I am playing devil's advocate, of course. I realize you are not advocating open borders and were only citing the difference between your situation and that of manual workers. It is a good point. But it does bring up the question of "where does it end?" Years ago, we were told the illegals were just coming to do the agricultural jobs. Now, it is evident that we also "need" them for construction jobs, as exemlified in a previous post. Apparently we also need them in our kitchens and to be our nannys. That is the funny thing about "need". It tends to grow. Keep in mind that in many states, illegals are not only allowed to attend universities, but in many cases are allowed to receive tax-funded tuition aid! Try explaining to the carpenter who lost his job to an illegal who is willing to do it for $5.00 an hour why a computer programmer should not also lose her job to a foriegner if they are willing to do it for half the going salary.
 
why a computer programmer should not also lose her job to a foriegner if they are willing to do it for half the going salary.
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Actually it is done in the form of outsourcing, large cusiness greed will go to
any lengths to increase its bottom line no matter the end results for America
and its workers.

Khrushchev (if I remember correct it was he)the russian leader once said all Russian had to do was wait and we would destroy ourselves, perhaps he
was not all wrong. :confused:
 
Actually it is done in the form of outsourcing, large cusiness greed will go to
any lengths to increase its bottom line no matter the end results for America
and its workers.
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Well, of course.

Those of us who are in business aren't in business "...for America and its workers."

Businesses are started for money.

Nothing else. Money. Profit.

Have a nice day. :cool:
 
Those of us who are in business aren't in business "...for America and its workers."
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There it is folks no understanding whatsoever that America is your home not
something to be given away for greed, perhaps it is just that our ww2 people
are going, too sad for them to see what we have become. :rolleyes:
 
Well, of course. Those of us who are in business aren't in business "...for America and its workers."
Businesses are started for money.
Nothing else. Money. Profit.
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Then we should do away with minimum wages altogether, over time pay requirements, encourage open and unlimited immigration, encourage outsourcing of companies to any place where they can get cheaper labor, and to hell with "America and its workers." While I realize that there are those out there that advocate just that...all in the name of "pure" capitalism"...I shutter to think that there are no business persons left out there that realize making a Profit does not mean you have to sell your soul in the process. Oh, but we are just talking about selling out the country, right? In the end, all the CEOs can stand around with their finger up their ass and exclaim "I didn't do anything wrong. It's all about profit; they told me so." And, yes, in the strictest sense of Capitalism, no holds barred, they will be correct. I am not a particularily religious person, but I hope there is a hell, just so that some of those "correct" individuals can burn there. Being in the "right" does not preclude you from an obligation to do "right", by your God if that applies, and by your country if you choose to live here, and last but not least, your stockholders and personal piggy bank.

Khrushchev (if I remember correct it was he)the russian leader once said all Russian had to do was wait and we would destroy ourselves, perhaps he was not all wrong.
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One could certainly make that argument. Only time will tell, and if it does, it will be too late. Have a good night.
 
Wingman, you are dead-on, my brother.

People like Jammer are the ones who make our fallen heros roll over in their graves. He and people like him spit on this country and everything it stands for. He epitomizes the disgusting greed that drags this country further down the tubes every day. He's not only biting the hand that feeds him - he's chewing it off. He treats his nation as a place to be raped - a tree to be picked clean before another can get to the fruit. No code of morality can stop him. He has no sense of reverence - no gratefulness for his country and the opportunity it's given him.
 
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