In my country, you can hear a lot of complaints from the Police Force about the M9, they can't do anything it is their issue FA. Very few civilian shooter too, like much the M9 as their target pistol for it is not worth it. My brother in law has one SS 92FS Italy made but it is always in his closet and holster so it was not tested yet. This is my personal opinion only and have heard from the users.
Why the problems with millitary 92FS's
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hitnthexring
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I've read in recent gun mag reviews on the Beretta 92 that the locking block should be replaced every 3,000 rounds. To me, this seems to be a design/durability flaw since other manufacturers don't make the same recommendation.
CastleBravo
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I don't know why, but I saw the same thing when I was in the Army. Literally 2/3 of the M9 pistols I was issued were unreliable junk, when properly cleaned & lubed, and used on a pistol range. Their reputation among people who actually have interest in their firearms is terrible. Just my observations.
CastleBravo
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The observations are fine. It is the interpretation that is a bitch.
2 out of 3 M9 pistols I was issued was worthless. But the other one worked great, it was the first one I was ever issued and I shot Expert with it, so it made a good impression at first. The question is, which one represents the true average performance of the M9? I dunno. My sample wasn't statistically valid, and neither was the sample of all my buddies who thought it sucked too. But what we observed did happen, and for me personally is enough evidence that I will never buy a Beretta.
2 out of 3 M9 pistols I was issued was worthless. But the other one worked great, it was the first one I was ever issued and I shot Expert with it, so it made a good impression at first. The question is, which one represents the true average performance of the M9? I dunno. My sample wasn't statistically valid, and neither was the sample of all my buddies who thought it sucked too. But what we observed did happen, and for me personally is enough evidence that I will never buy a Beretta.
I have had two Beretta 92's and both have worked fine for me. Now I have not put either of them through as much abuse as the average military firearm gets so my experience is biased at best.
My current specialty does not require me to fire regularly although I try to keep current on what is happening in the small arms field as part of my responsibility to the people I handle plus my own interest in shooting.
I am not aware of any problems at my base. This does not mena there are none, just that I have not heard of any. I will ask the question, but I have to be careful. I already have a reputation as a "firearms enthusiast" but try to keep this low profile. You can domore when you are not an obvious target.
My current specialty does not require me to fire regularly although I try to keep current on what is happening in the small arms field as part of my responsibility to the people I handle plus my own interest in shooting.
I am not aware of any problems at my base. This does not mena there are none, just that I have not heard of any. I will ask the question, but I have to be careful. I already have a reputation as a "firearms enthusiast" but try to keep this low profile. You can domore when you are not an obvious target.
lockandrock
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I've shot the M9 when I was in the USAF on two ocassions after they first where introduce into the USAF inventory. Guess what no problems. Now let me describe how theses gun look;
Picture somebody taking a beretta pistol and laying it on it's side and then kicking it back and forth over a concrete floor.
This gun whent thru h_ll and back and still shoot to point of aim and was reliable. Since then I have departed the armed force and have bought a M9 that I sold and replaced with a 92FS/S. Both of these guns shoots 2to3" groups at 25yrds and are well maintain and other then the grip screw loosing on the right side the gun has been problem free.
(btw)I have easily bypass the so-called 3K limit for the locking block with my earlier M9 by about 5K rounds and the same goes for my 92FS/S. Once again no crack locking block, broken slide or any other issues. Beretta are very durable guns and are easy to care for(period)
Picture somebody taking a beretta pistol and laying it on it's side and then kicking it back and forth over a concrete floor.
This gun whent thru h_ll and back and still shoot to point of aim and was reliable. Since then I have departed the armed force and have bought a M9 that I sold and replaced with a 92FS/S. Both of these guns shoots 2to3" groups at 25yrds and are well maintain and other then the grip screw loosing on the right side the gun has been problem free.
(btw)I have easily bypass the so-called 3K limit for the locking block with my earlier M9 by about 5K rounds and the same goes for my 92FS/S. Once again no crack locking block, broken slide or any other issues. Beretta are very durable guns and are easy to care for(period)
weldonjr2001
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Got to be the people involved. They're great pistols.
I have heard over time the ammo was a factor. Ayoob (FWIW) did an article on the 92 several years ago and mentioned the navy used some hot ammo, stuff that approached rifle round pressures.
So far mine has been good, no complaints other than the finish. It is well used. On that note, a friend of mine had his break in our last pistol match. The locking block sheared apart, apparently from a steady diet of +P+.
So far mine has been good, no complaints other than the finish. It is well used. On that note, a friend of mine had his break in our last pistol match. The locking block sheared apart, apparently from a steady diet of +P+.
2 observations
1) Every single Beretta I shot in the Army was a certified piece of crap. Every one of them had the old style locking block (which did have a tendency to crack at 3-5k rounds but that problem has been since fixed)
2)I own 3 92 series Berettas and every one of them functions flawlessly. My first 92FS now has over 10k rounds through it without a single malfunction. The only maintenance it gets other than standard cleanings are I have replaced the trigger spring, trigger bar spring, and recoil spring every 3k rounds (not because they broke, but because I think its cheap insurance).
YMMV
1) Every single Beretta I shot in the Army was a certified piece of crap. Every one of them had the old style locking block (which did have a tendency to crack at 3-5k rounds but that problem has been since fixed)
2)I own 3 92 series Berettas and every one of them functions flawlessly. My first 92FS now has over 10k rounds through it without a single malfunction. The only maintenance it gets other than standard cleanings are I have replaced the trigger spring, trigger bar spring, and recoil spring every 3k rounds (not because they broke, but because I think its cheap insurance).
YMMV
Beretta metalurgical failure
Odf course I cant find the url but there was a metallographic examination of affected parts of Berettas that revealed high failure rates in specimens with phosphate inclusions and a % composition phosphorus level was defined above which failures were seen to occur regularly.
More simply, bad metal in some guns was the basis for the failures
Yodar
Odf course I cant find the url but there was a metallographic examination of affected parts of Berettas that revealed high failure rates in specimens with phosphate inclusions and a % composition phosphorus level was defined above which failures were seen to occur regularly.
More simply, bad metal in some guns was the basis for the failures
Yodar