Why not Ruger!!

Thanks Kilroy. Had we acted swiftly and punished Ruger by withholding our business S&W would've known better. As a result of our lax attitude towards Ruger other companies thought it was OK to sell out RKBA. I won't buy anything Ruger just like I won't buy anything SW. I'll give my business to companies that have publicly taken a strong pro-RKBA stance. Your mileage will vary.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
DesertDog said:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Boycotting brands of firearms because you don't agree with the makers' methods or beliefs, in this atmosphere of anti-gun rhetoric spewed by gun grabbers will be the death knell...

"We need to hang together, or we will surely hang separately" - ?[/quote]


I think you may be mis-interpreting the 'hang together' line. In light of that commnent, it is Bill Ruger who has brought us one step closer to 'hang separately'. He sold us out. He failed to 'hang together'.

I do, however, understand your reluctance to give up support for a gun maker...any gun maker, considering the current climate. But regardless of their actions? I disagree.


- gabe
 
If anyone thinks that a corporation or business owner is responsible for protecting our rights, your sadly mistaken.

"As a result of our lax attitude..." says it all.

Shok
 
I get a kick out of the people who slam Ruger or Smith and Wesson. Yes, I think they both made bad mistakes to keep their business's strong. But those who condemn then turn aroung and but chinese and russian products. I hope everyone is aware that every dollar spent on chinese products goes directly into their war department funds. Not only guns, but shoes, shirts, etc.

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From my cold dead hands.
 
Everyone knows all Rugers are s**t.

They suck.

If you didn't know that already, you're clueless.

Rugers are all absolute junk.
 
weegee, isn't there some sort of age requirment to be on this board?

Why don't you guys just boycott EVERY manufacturer... that'll teach them a lesson. :rolleyes: Hell, they've ALL made concessions at one time or the other. You guys mean to say that NONE of you own a S&W, Ruger, Colt or Glock?

be reasonable guys,
Ben

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Now that you mention it, I guess I qualify as clueless too.

Oh well,
Ben

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Would that I had the funds! I would love to put a P90 up against other makes and shoot all of them to the point of catastrophic failure to see just what would happen. Of course, I would need help from the audience to complete the task. BTW, if any of you out there are feeling philanthropic, I am up for the challenge. ;)

There are some weapons that I would be afraid to shoot to the point of total obliteration for fear of losing limb, sight, hearing or life but the P90 would not be one of them.

I was not e-literate when Ruger allegedly did the dirty deed so I did not know what "Daddy Bill" did to us or is purported to have done as the case may be. Everyone knows how much I have railed on S&W for their freedom heresy so I must re-evaluate Ruger.

That having been said, the Ruger is not polished. It is not refined nor is it a pearl of pinpoint accuracy. Nay,it is not a thing of beauty either. I do believe that they are tough as nails and that they will function with any SAAMI specified ammo-----bar none. How many other manufacturers state in the owner's manual that their offering will shoot ANY SAAMI specified ammo?

All of this got started one evening as I was on the patio watching the sunset and petting my faithful, overgrown, Pomeranian "Simba". I began to ponder: "Why does the Ruger not get more recognition from various agencies. Sure it's far from perfect but then again, don't we hear alot from other Brands reagarding firing pins broken while dry firing, KABOOMS!!!,Frames Cracking, Pins backing out, etc.,etc.,etc. And if this is true, why do I keep shelling out $600.00 at a pop to my favorite FFL Gun Store".

Oh well, Simba is ready to be kenneled so I must repair to the back room.

Yours Truly,

Clueless Joe Jackson

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Now I've been one of the most virulent anti-Ruger people on this thread (actually the former one) but IMHO Ruger guns are not junk.

They are definitely not the premium quality guns like SIGs but they aren't Lorcins either. Ruger guns are like tanks, they keep ticking. Take the Ruger P89 -- the trigger pull might not be so great, the magazine release might not be crisp, but it works well and for the money they're not a bad deal.

The Ruger 10/22 is arguably one of the most popular .22 LR rifles in this country. The basic model is cheap and versatile -- or you can really "go 1911" on it and make it into a real tack driver.

In sum, Ruger products work relatively well, especially considering their price range. I strongly suspect that the relative inexpensiveness of Ruger products has also turned some people off from boycotting -- you know the type, they'd rather spend a little less money than stand up on principle of boycotting.

You and I both know such people. They're not the people who can't afford anything more than a Ruger, but those are the people with twenty pre-ban guns and won't shell out the $35 per year to join the NRA, GOA, JPFO or whoever.

Remember, being "reasonable" is what got us into this mess to begin with. In 1934 a $200 tax on full-auto weapons was reasonable. In 1968 the requirement of "sporting purposes" was reasonable. In 1986 a ban on machine guns was reasonable. In 1989 a ban on imported semi-auto rifles with evil features was reasonable.

Need I go on?

The anti's WANT to win this war by attrition, "reasonable" measure by "reasonable" measure. Can you imagine in 1934 if Congress enacted all the above legislation, in addition to the federal legislation up to and including the 1998 Clinton EO, California's SB 23 and Maryland's "smart gun" legislation as law, simultaneously? They'd be run out of town on a rail. But here we are, sixty-odd years later and here we are, having been "reasonable" all that time.

Say it with me again folks. Appeasement solves nothing.

No one said you must boycott everybody who stands against the right to arms. You gotta ask yourself whether you want to stand up for those vaunted rights which we hold so dear -- or you can throw up your hands in defeat and give them your money. It's America, it's your choice.

Justin

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late of Kennett Square, Pennsylvania


[This message has been edited by jthuang (edited May 05, 2000).]
 
jthuang,

Using the "r" word inevitably leads to misunderstandings. You seemed to think that my "reasonable" comment was in reference to allowing gun control measures as long as they were "reasonable." Absolutely not... give an inch, they take a MILE... we all know that.

My "reasonable" comment was ACTUALLY in reference to people's lack of following through on their convictions. Glock is working on a striker/barrel "finger-printing" system for their guns. S&W sold out, Colt went under due to proliferance of sorry-guns and smart-guns; Ruger proposed 15 rounds and ended up with 10. Unfortunately, sometimes lousy concessions HAVE to be made to stay in business... I may not agree with them, and neither may you. Support those that don't. Unfortunately the ones that DON'T get all the bad press and have to show their cards a bit early in the game.

Now, let's join hands and sing a Joan Biaz song together ;)
Ben

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"Gun Control Is Being Able To Hit Your Target"

[This message has been edited by Ben (edited May 05, 2000).]
 
Will Beararms
I will take your challenge. The glock will outlast your ruger as it has fewer moving parts and there are glocks already past the 180000 round mark. The Glock and any other polimer pistol will last just as long as you buck rodgers zap gun wanna be ruger.
PAT

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I intend to go into harms way.
 
I had considered a Ruger P89 9mm. A friend of mine has one, so we went out to do some shooting. We were shooting in the desert, around 09:00 and the temp. was about 90*F. After firing 25 rounds the investment cast aluminum frame got too hot to hold without gloves. This may not be a problem for folks living in more temperate places, but it is a problem in the Valley of the Sun. My other, more expensive handguns, do not exhibit this problem. I find it difficult to justify the purchase of a firearm that I can't use, without gloves, if the temperature is above 80*F. I may buy one of Ruger's P-series pistols in the future, as the gun was pleasant to shoot, but not at this time.

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Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat!

I hunt, therefore I am.
 
Weegee - Tell us how you really feel! I owned the P90 and it shot great and was reliable but ugly as sin! I later bought a P95 and it felt good in the hand to me. Took it to the range and it shot everywhere except into the target. Accuracy was terrible! You adjust sights for shooting one way and the next mag shot the other way. Traded it back to the dealer the next day.

[This message has been edited by Tom B (edited May 05, 2000).]
 
Blade,
I surprised an aluminum frame got too hot to hold. We all know that aluminum RARELY gets hot because it doesn't conduct heat very well. A Polymer frame should fix the heat problems you seemed to have.

Ben

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ICQ # 53788523
"Gun Control Is Being Able To Hit Your Target"
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ben:
jthuang,

Using the "r" word inevitably leads to misunderstandings. You seemed to think that my "reasonable" comment was in reference to allowing gun control measures as long as they were "reasonable." Absolutely not... give an inch, they take a MILE... we all know that.

My "reasonable" comment was ACTUALLY in reference to people's lack of following through on their convictions. Glock is working on a striker/barrel "finger-printing" system for their guns. S&W sold out, Colt went under due to proliferance of sorry-guns and smart-guns; Ruger proposed 15 rounds and ended up with 10. Unfortunately, sometimes lousy concessions HAVE to be made to stay in business... I may not agree with them, and neither may you. Support those that don't. Unfortunately the ones that DON'T get all the bad press and have to show their cards a bit early in the game.

[/Now, let's join hands and sing a Joan Biaz song together ;)]
Ben

"CUM BAH YAH! CUM BAH YAH!"


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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
BTW, did'nt Bill Ruger give the NRA One Million Dollars which is not tax-deductible and isn't there a ten-dollar discount NRA membership offer with new P-Series Pistols in the box?

I know many of you will think that a million dollars is not enough but when you are running a business with the cashflows of Ruger, that's alot of change. How about rying to donate one million out of your pocket with no tax breaks.

Did'nt Ruger recently stand up to the FEDS saying no more S&W deals? I know that is not enough for many but it's a start in the right direction.

Finally, Ruger is one of the few if not the only manufcturer who openly states in the manual of a P-Series Semi-Auto that ANY factory-loaded ammo to numerous specs including NATO and SAAMI is acceptable REGARDLESS of the pressure rating. How many other companies encourage the use of +P 9mm and +P .45ACP? I can reprint thids directly from the manual if requested.

Yours Cluelessly

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
This is too funny,

Everyone knows all Rugers are s**t.
They suck.

If you didn't know that already, you're clueless.

Rugers are all absolute junk.

hey weegee you seemed to like them a month ago.

guess I'm clueless also
 
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