Why not Ruger?

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Glocks above 9mm: Unsupported chambers cause KABOOMS!

Sigs: Frames crack, small parts fail.

Berettas: Locking blocks fail causing slide cracking or barrel lug destruction.

Kimber: Well should I even go there?

HK: Barrels rust

CZ: Trigger pin backs out.

By now you know where I'm going with this. Sure the Ruger is not as accurate as the above pistols in most cases and the SS slides are prone to rust but you never hear of that many KABOOMS or small parts failures. This being the case, I am asking myself why I don't go out and buy a P 97. Comments, reproof or questions are welcome and requested.

Thanks-----WB

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You should! For the money Ruger makes an excellent gun. They are "bulletproof" - the only thing better would be to buy 2 Maks! - Except that I'm assuming you want a caliber larger than 9x18....

Go for it. With a few exceptions I don't think you can go wrong buying any gun. Resale value is very good on most of them as long as you don't get stiffed in the first place.

my $.02
 
Rugers... unappreciated by the masses of gun owners who would rather have something more expensive...

Reliable as a stone axe, and accurate too.

Why ask why?

My Ruger P90DC will eat any ammo I feed it, make one ragged hole offhand at 7 yards, digest .45 SUPER (try that one with your Glock or race gun), Does NOT rust (living in NM helps), and just feels good in my hand.

Benelli isn't the only company with a Super 90...

YMMV,



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.45 Super... Fat and FAST...

"No provision in our Constitution ought to be dearer to man than that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of the civil authority" - Thomas Jefferson
 
Ruger semiautos I've fired also have a trigger pull like a stone axe, too.

Not yet mentioned: The political liability of buying a Ruger. Bill Ruger cares as much about RKBA as Slick $ Wesson does. Ruger just hasn't sold us out as recently as S&W has.

I try to buy guns from companies that I think care about gun owners. Therefore I haven't bought many Rugers in recent years.
 
Have two HK pistols. USP45F and a MK23. Neither have ever shown signs of rust in their barrels. Sweet shooting and all the rest.

FWIW,
Evan
 
Personally, I've found the Ruger to be just as accurate if not MORE accurate than Glocks and HK's. Paying more money does NOT ensure better accuracy. You know that. People pay up the nose for HK's becasue they're cool... same with Glocks. Put the three with equivolent barrel lengths in a Ransom Rest, and I'll bet the Ruger LEADS with the tightest / most consistent groups.

Put a Ruger P-94 (95) vs HK USP 9 (9C), vs Glock 17 (19)
The compact versions are in (parenthesis)

Ben

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Why not indeed? My first pistol was a Ruger P95DC, and I love the little bastard. It's got a nice, smooth trigger pull and is certainly accurate enough. Oh yeah, and the sucker is built to last. Now, bear in mind that I love my Glock, too. But it seems that the only thing Ruger has against it is the low price.

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Still have my P85. Used to carry it every day before I could afford something more upscale.
Still shoots just like the day I bought it, slightly used, for $220 (including the 2-15 rd mags :)). Put a set of Hogue wraparounds on it, and voila, a decent and reliable carrying piece.

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As mentioned, Ruger sold us out with his support of the 1994 high cap (and ostensibly the AWB) ban. But that's not all.

He also apparently thinks we have a right to arms only for sporting purposes. Watch American Shooter on TNN and right before the Great Guns segment, you'll hear their motto: "arms makers for responsible SPORTSMEN". Self defense and defense against a tyrannical government don't figure into Ruger's thinking.

Someone over on Glock Talk mentioned Ruger's shoddy explanation (published in a gun rag, recently) about their new policy on selling Ruger guns at gunshows. I think it was the May 2000 issue of Shooting Times or something like that. It was a very sorry excuse indeed, IMHO, but whatever your opinion it is clear that Ruger doesn't support gunshows.

Does this sound like a gun maker you want to support?

Justin


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I often find myself contemplating purchasing either a DAO Beretta Cougar in .45, or the DAO Ruger P97.

Why DAO? Because I like DAO. And Beretta and Ruger have the smoothest lightest DAO trigger pull out there. (dont preach SIG to me, I've measured them all)

What I don't like about the Beretta Cougar is the 3.7inch barrel. It should be longer.
Beretta Cougar magazines are scarce.

The DAO Ruger P97 is also scarce. I have been looking for one for months. However,
8 round Ruger P90/P97 magazines are easy to find and they're about $10 cheaper than Beretta's magazines. And the P97 sports a 4.25inch barrel. (true commander length)

What bothers me about the P97? Well, the polymer they use. It seems too soft for durability. Polymer rails with no metal reinforcement...Hmmm... the frame is seems easily marred too. I don't like that too much.

But the P97 would make a good carry gun, though. Stainless slide, polymer frame. 8 rounds in the mag with one in the chamber, some skateboard tape on the grips and Ashley Express sights... Hmm...

Why don't I go out an buy a P97 today? *shrug*

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Ruger Why Not , Why Not.

I own Several Ruger, from autos to pistol's and they are Very reliable, Accurate, and will eat any ammo and spit it out without a burp, Well there is alwase a bang. A Great value for the money. And your not paying for the name as with many other brands.Also great Service If you ever need it.Heard the P97 is a great gun for the money. Go for It!!

Tony Z
 
I like Ruger revolvers. And I like Ruger .22 pistols. But Ruger's centerfire pistols? Well...

Some of them are just too doggone blocky. The P90, for instance, looks like it's about two inches wide. :) And Ruger seems to try to use the stubbiest barrels possible, which I also dislike.

And then there's the choice of trigger actions: traditional double action, DA with decocker only, and DAO -- none of which are my favorites. I prefer single action or "safe" action.

I also dislike Ruger's slide-mounted safety levers. I prefer a 1911/BHP/CZ-style frame-mounted safety lever.

Having said all that, I'd like to try the P95 and P97. If the P97 used 1911 magazines (which I have in abundance), I'd definitely buy one.
 
I, too, like Ruger revolvers, but I don't own any of their autos. It's my understanding that they work quite well. The Chevrolet of pistols. I sure like the look of the P94.....
 
Please Mr.Robertson. Do you really think any corporation cares about you?????

Bill Ruger's company is in it for the same reason as glock,s&w,and the rest. TO Make A Buck!

Buy the best gun for the best price and that is capitalism at it's best.
 
Re: the polymer Ruger uses in the P95/P97 being too soft. I'm no chemist or engineer but I did so a fairly extensive search into the Dow Isoplast polymer Ruger uses. It appears to be some of the toughest stuff out there. It comes in several forms and grades and I'm not sure exactly which Ruger uses but this stuff is used for bumpers on vehicles and even gears. It is apparently somewhat self-lubricating and has extremely high impact resistance and tensile strength. I don't doubt it could be dinged or otherwise marred, but so can aluminum, other polymers like Glock's, and even steel. I believe the ability to build the pistols without integral metal supports in the rails and frame is due as much to the engineering of the front guide rails and the cam-block system of unlocking as to the inherent strength of the polymer. As to Ruger "backstabbing" gun owners...I have read as much as I could find on that issue and, while I think he showed an error in judgement, I don't think he betrayed anyone. Nevertheless, many do think so and that is their right. Now, ask me what I think of Smith and Wesson and let me fume about betrayal...cheers.

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Noone seems to dispute the durability and reliablity of Ruger pistols. The only reason I haven't looked at any Ruger semiautos is the HUGE size of their pistols. Maybe it's because I have a CCW and always look at pistols with that in the back of my mind. Now for a bedside/car/range gun...
 
Again,why not indeed? Sure Bill could be more staunch in supporting us but he`s just one guy with an opinion,which we`re all entitled to. Personally I`d much rather give my money to him then send it to some foreign country. The P-97 is an excellent pistol,I LOVE mine! The trigger pull is nice and smooth and it`s more accurate than any service auto has a right to be. As for those who have mentioned the size or Ruger pistols as a liability I say check them with a calipers vs. your favorites and I think you`ll be very suprised! Their lines can make them appear thick and bulky but it`s often an optical illusion. My P-97`s frame and slide are 1 1/16" accross. In comparison my Buckmark .22`s grip is 1 1/4" accross and my P-11 is 15/16". It has nice blended edges and carries great IWB. Marcus
 
I love :)my P97 DAO. The frame rails are HUGE by comparison to any other pitol. Yes, they do not appear re-inforced, but I'm not worried. This is the softest recoiling .45 I've ever shot. It feels SO MUCH better in the hand than the P90. No comparison.
 
Will where did you get info on the Sigs?They did run asmall batch years ago with defective frames but warrented all of them.
I have never heard of any other problems with Sig.Mine sure has treated me well.I think we have another rumor mill around.Don't believe all you hear and half of what you see.

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