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Why is semi-auto so dominant in ISSF 25m centerfire shooting event?
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Jim Watson
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ISSF has two stages in the Centerfire Pistol match.
Slow fire, 5 shots, 5 minutes, six times.
Rapid fire (They used to call it The Duel.) Targets face you (or you get a green light) for 3 seconds, face away (or a red light) for 7 seconds, back for 3 seconds, etc for 5 shots six times.
Can you cock a revolver and get your attention back on the target in seven seconds? It is certainly possible, there were a fair number of revolvers shot before the .32 wadcutter autos got refined, but it is going to take some effort that the automatic takes care of for you.
Slow fire, 5 shots, 5 minutes, six times.
Rapid fire (They used to call it The Duel.) Targets face you (or you get a green light) for 3 seconds, face away (or a red light) for 7 seconds, back for 3 seconds, etc for 5 shots six times.
Can you cock a revolver and get your attention back on the target in seven seconds? It is certainly possible, there were a fair number of revolvers shot before the .32 wadcutter autos got refined, but it is going to take some effort that the automatic takes care of for you.
What is the best accuracy average at 50 yards any centerfire revolver has produced for several 20 shot groups?
Look at some PPC guns. A High Master class shooter can keep them all in the X ring on a B-27.
The NRA PPC Rule Book does not list target ring sizes.Look at some PPC guns. A High Master class shooter can keep them all in the X ring on a B-27.
A search came up stating about 2 x 3 inches; 55 x 78 mm .
I cannot get NRA PPC records listed on their web site to verify at least one B-27 target has all Xes. Then I came across this site:
https://lecompetitions.nra.org/programs-clubs-and-records/national-records/
... and none of the revolver records were all Xes at 50 yards.
I have seen M1911 45 ACP wadcutter pistol 50 yard test targets shot with Remington wadcutter ammo several 10 shot groups under 1.5 inch. The USN Match Conditioning Unit used a Broadway machine rest in their test range. Army and USMC built 1911's were as good.
Isn't this about hand gun accuracy, not human marksmanship level?
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What I do know is that the legendary Harry Reeves won six national pistol titles using a revolver.1#16
Bart B.
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What is the best accuracy average at 50 yards any centerfire revolver has produced for several 20 shot groups?
Reeves was the first shooter to score over 2600 in a conventional 2700 match (2606 in 1941).
Don’t know his scores at the 50 yards were or his x count but a score of 2606/2700 means his average for 270 shots was 9.65/10. With a revolver. 90 of those shots were at 50 yards.
Of course a lot of those were shot on the short line (25 yds) during the timed fire and rapid fire stages. Still..,,
This year at the national pistol matches SFC Greg Markowski won
the HarryyReeves Memorial revolver match (30 shots) with 281-9x. An average slightly lower than Reeves 1941 scores
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Any NRA outdoor pistol record that Harry Reeves may have held with revolvers is now held by a semiautomatic.
That said, the last hurrah for revolvers in an NRA outdoor 2700 agg may have been at the 1965 US Army Major Command Pistol Matches at Fort Riley, KS. A Navy petty officer won the center fire 2700 agg shooting his stock Colt Python with Rem 38 Spcl wadcutters. Several top Army champion pistoleros stood and applauded him at the awards ceremony.
That said, the last hurrah for revolvers in an NRA outdoor 2700 agg may have been at the 1965 US Army Major Command Pistol Matches at Fort Riley, KS. A Navy petty officer won the center fire 2700 agg shooting his stock Colt Python with Rem 38 Spcl wadcutters. Several top Army champion pistoleros stood and applauded him at the awards ceremony.
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darkgael,
Boatswain Mate First Class Major Golden won the centerfire 900 agg. "Goldie" placed 3rd or 4th in the 2700 agg, as I remember. He was the 9th naval district Small Arms Marksmanship Instructor at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center near Waukegan, Illinois. He got me started in small arms competition when I was a Chief Petty Officer there in the mid 60's teaching large arms marksmanship with ship board gun and guided missile weapons systems.
At a USN competitive shooters reunion some years ago (late 90's), Goldie and I was talking with Col. Walter Walsh, USMC (Ret) who placed third at the 1954 Nationals behind Harry Reeves. Col. Walsh won the Nationals in the 30's, forget the discipline; rifle, I think. Both knew and shot with Harry Reeves.
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2018/8/30/walter-r-walsh-fbi-agent-and-national-matches-legend/
Boatswain Mate First Class Major Golden won the centerfire 900 agg. "Goldie" placed 3rd or 4th in the 2700 agg, as I remember. He was the 9th naval district Small Arms Marksmanship Instructor at the Great Lakes Naval Training Center near Waukegan, Illinois. He got me started in small arms competition when I was a Chief Petty Officer there in the mid 60's teaching large arms marksmanship with ship board gun and guided missile weapons systems.
At a USN competitive shooters reunion some years ago (late 90's), Goldie and I was talking with Col. Walter Walsh, USMC (Ret) who placed third at the 1954 Nationals behind Harry Reeves. Col. Walsh won the Nationals in the 30's, forget the discipline; rifle, I think. Both knew and shot with Harry Reeves.
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2018/8/30/walter-r-walsh-fbi-agent-and-national-matches-legend/
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