Why I bought Ann Coulter's Book Godless

[Tim Burke]

Back when she said that, it would be fair to say most American's where thinking the same thing.

I went back to find that quote, to put it in context. It was in an article published September 12, 2001.

The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.
People who want our country destroyed live here, work for our airlines, and are submitted to the exact same airport shakedown as a lumberman from Idaho. This would be like having the Wehrmacht immigrate to America and work for our airlines during World War II. Except the Wehrmacht was not so bloodthirsty.
"All of our lives" don't need to change, as they keep prattling on TV. Every single time there is a terrorist attack — or a plane crashes because of pilot error — Americans allow their rights to be contracted for no purpose whatsoever.
The airport kabuki theater of magnetometers, asinine questions about whether passengers "packed their own bags," and the hostile, lumpen mesomorphs ripping open our luggage somehow allowed over a dozen armed hijackers to board four American planes almost simultaneously on Bloody Tuesday. (Did those fabulous security procedures stop a single hijacker anyplace in America that day?)
Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Ann Coulter's 9/11 widows rant...

Again, the MSM spin. Her rant wasn't against 9/11 widows, it was against 4 specific 9/11 widows who call themselves the Jersey girls, and have used their tragedy as a springboard to promote their own leftist political agenda.

 

[GoSlash27]

Again, the MSM spin. Her rant wasn't against 9/11 widows, it was against 4 specific 9/11 widows who call themselves the Jersey girls, and have used their tragedy as a springboard to promote their own leftist political agenda.

Let me place the specific quote here.

“These self-obsessed women seemed genuinely unaware that 9/11 was an attack on our nation and acted as if the terrorist attacks happened only to them … These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzis. I’ve never seen people enjoying their husbands’ deaths so much.”

She then goes on to call them names, speculate about the health of their marriages prior to 9/11, and crudely suggest that they should pose in the nude before they get any older.

What do you think? If you had lost a loved one in the WTC attack would you "enjoy" it? Back when the RNC used Willie Horton's victims family against Dukakis, do you suppose that family "enjoyed" the deaths of their loved ones?


It's frustrating because she has a valid point to get across but merely comes across as a vindictive troll and paints the entire right as the same in the process. IOW you have to look past how she's saying it in order to consider her point.
I repeat: If she were to behave in such a manner on this board she would be banned, and rightly so.

 

[Tim Burke]

I didn't say she didn't attack the Jersey girls... she did, viciously. But the MSM spin is she attacked "the 9/11 widows."
The nail that stands up gets pounded down. That's why the Jersey girls are being attacked, and that's why Ann Coulter is being attacked. Calling the Jersey girls "9/11 widows" is spin, making it sound as if Coulter is attacking everyone that lost their husband that day.
I would think gun owners would be attuned to the subtle ways that the MSM slants their coverage.

 

[GoSlash27]

Tim,
I hadn't noticed this particular spin. I was never under any impression that she had attacked all 9/11 widows collectively, merely that she had viciously attacked these particular ones in a very crass fashion. Same as Sheehan.

There are also families out there who lost loved ones who support Bush. They get air time. What do you suppose it would come across like if (for example) Moore had suggested that these folks *enjoyed* the loss of their loved ones?
He'd be crucified, and rightly so. Just as they crucified Dean for his comments about Republicans.
It's just how the media works; they love scandal and outrage.

 

[GoSlash27]

I would not agree that referring to them as "9/11 widows" is spin, either. They *are* 9/11 widows. Now if they had said "9/11 widows" without clarifying which ones they were referring to, I'd be more inclined to agree.

 

[Tim Burke]

That's the thing, sometimes they do this spin thing so subtly. You've actually paid attention to this issue, so when you read 9/11 widows, you understand them to mean the 4 in question. Most people aren't going to pay much attention to this issue, and their take home message will be different from yours.
Spin isn't necessarily false; usually it's true, but only selectively.

 

[GoSlash27]

Tim,
I dunno. I haven't seen any indications that the general public was under the impression that Coulter attacked all 9/11 widows collectively or even that they know who she is. Unless she has appeared on 'American Idol' at some point...

 

[pipoman]

Coulter's entire point about "The Jersey Girls" is the "Left's doctrine of infallibility". The political statements of The Jerseys, Shehann, etc., if questioned, are met with, "how dare you refute the claims of these poor, unfortunate souls". You have no right to dispute their position unless you too have had a spouse killed in the 9-11 attacks or a child parish in the War on Terror.

These people have an absolute right to espouse their political views. The minute they do so as political activists they are fair game for rebuttal. To proclaim them untouchable experts as has been done by the left is as idiotic as standing on the political statements of the high school drop outs in Hollywood or that intellectual giant Michael Moore.

I personally find the never ending riches pouring into the victims of 9-11 a slap in the face of the masses of people who tragically loose loved ones and family bread winners every day. Those who use the wealth to be full time politicos then decry their untouchable status when challenged are despicable.

 

[carbiner]

Just before Bush went into Iraq I was living in Minneapolis, and the war protests were growing ever more intense thru out the city and country. One day Code Pink and Answer had oranized a huge rally in loring park not to far from a park called Steven's which I had been going for a walk in that day.

On the sidewalk 6 protesters were coming towords me, I moved over a bit to let them pass by, I didn't quite get past the last protester when she looked up at me and spotted my NRA members cap, which I forgot I was wearing. She stopped and asked me if I liked guns, I smiled and nicly said yes I shooting sports.

To that she turned to her crew and said: Hey! we got a NRA NAZI HERE! The tallest male which was holding the largest sign which read somethng about Bush wanting to kill kids walked over to me and asked if I enjoyed the thought of killing kids in Iraq.

Anyhow I was called some very disturbing names and accused of war crimes.

My point, those people who are joined with millions of their ilk around this county, would have this site shut down, SWAT magazine shut down,the NRA destroyed guns removed from your homes, history re-written and many other rights removed.

GOSLASH, don't be so quick to judge who's speech would or should be closed. In the three books of Ann's I have NEVER witnessed such hateful speech and utterly POOR behavior as I did that day.

I have watch liberal ideolgy just ruin Minneapolis, the city I was born and raised, I don't even rcognize now.

 

[Al Norris]

Oh, I dunno...

Friday, IIRC, I was watching Hannity & Colmes when they had Coulter on. Not only did Alan ask why Ann was attacking all 9/11 widows, but the Democrat Spokesperson was chiding Ann for the same thing. So, obviously, the "spin" took... Even after Sean specifically asked Ann to explain, both the Dem spokesperson and Alan kept at that thought!

At work, the librals there were doing the same thing. So ya, the spin was set.

As for Ann being a member of this forum, I wouldn't be any different about her than I would if Cindy Sheehan logged on. As long as discourse was thoughtful and polite, fine.

I think that those of us who are complaining about her have also made it clear that we don't like it when the left does it either. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The real point being that when the left does this stuff, I don't hear a lot of complaining... From the left.

Look at the things Sheehan has done. Did you hear any remonstrance over her using her son as a human shield? Only from the right. The left felt it fine how she conducted herself. In fact, the left screamed at the right that we had no right to call her on her stuff, as she was the victim! Sorry, I don't buy it.

Oh, and you stand corrected!

On the other hand, Eghad, I watch ABC, NBC CNN and FOX. That way I'm assured of getting some semblance of a balanced view.

And I'm usually outspoken regardless of whom says what. Read any of my Supreme Court analysis' lately? IIRC, the last one, I agreed with Stevens!

This time around however, I find it highly amusing the reaction Coulter is getting. I kinda like watching the left being hoist by their own petard.

 

[Big Ruger]

When was Dean ever crucified for his comments? All I have ever heard is "well those arent the words I would have chosen, BUT". Also I don't recall anyone on the left getting to twisted when Ward Churchill called ALL the 9/11 victims "little Eichmans". If you cant see the double standard, maybe your standing the wrong way. +1 anti, hoist by their own indeed! ERIC

 

[carbiner]

Demorcats want to impose a BAN on Ann's book. Two Jersey democrats are trying to push a bill thru that would BAN Ann's book. They can't handle the truth.
So they'll ban it
The full is at NEWSMAX.COM

 

[gc70]

Two Jersey democrats are trying to push a bill thru that would BAN Ann's book.

Unless you read a different article, the one I read on NewsMax says nothing about a bill to ban the book.

We are asking New Jersey retailers statewide to stand with us and express their outrage by refusing to carry or sell copies of Coulter's book.

It's a free country and retailers have the choice of which products they sell. While this 'call to action' probably appeals to part of the Democratic base, I suspect it will actually result in more sales of Coulter's book.

 

[contender6030]

Ann's an angel compared to the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton!

 

[carbiner]

Your right GC70, im just so used seeing dems next to bans and bills.

 

[Mad Martigan]

On the sidewalk 6 protesters were coming towords me, I moved over a bit to let them pass by, I didn't quite get past the last protester when she looked up at me and spotted my NRA members cap, which I forgot I was wearing. She stopped and asked me if I liked guns, I smiled and nicly said yes I shooting sports.

To that she turned to her crew and said: Hey! we got a NRA NAZI HERE! The tallest male which was holding the largest sign which read somethng about Bush wanting to kill kids walked over to me and asked if I enjoyed the thought of killing kids in Iraq.

Anyhow I was called some very disturbing names and accused of war crimes.

My point, those people who are joined with millions of their ilk around this county, would have this site shut down, SWAT magazine shut down,the NRA destroyed guns removed from your homes, history re-written and many other rights removed.

You must be mistaken, my friend. Liberals are people of tolerance.

 

[GoSlash27]

Antipitas,

As for Ann being a member of this forum, I wouldn't be any different about her than I would if Cindy Sheehan logged on. As long as discourse was thoughtful and polite, fine.

"Thoughtful and polite" being the key words here. As I stated in my preamble to the question (I must assume you missed it) "If Ann Coulter was a member of this forum and carried out the same behavior that she does in real life..."
And keep in mind that your answer can influence the future level of discourse and behavior on *this* forum. Which is to say that if you find this behavior acceptable from Ann, don't punish any member here for the same behavior.
So I repeat: Would you ban her?

The real point being that when the left does this stuff, I don't hear a lot of complaining... From the left.

And when the right does this stuff, you don't hear a lot of complaining... from the right.
No, but you do hear a lot of complaining from us. That behavior (including the incident that Carbiner mentioned is completely unacceptable regardless of which side it comes from.

 

[Glock 31]

I used to like FOX news till the morning show turned into a paid political ad for Dubyah. FOX is now just another channel that caters to its viewing group.

I don't really know about all that. Sometimes I catch the news on CNN, sometimes FOX. Whether the reports I see are true in every sense of the words stated, I have no idea cause I wasn't at whatever incident occured.

The one thing I noticed recently though, was that just after we blasted Zarqawi back to whatever nether demon squatted him out, Fox and friends did a report on it. But what I didn't see, or missed on the other news channels, was that Fox actually met with some of the marine pilots who were training in the F/A-18 simulator. They didn't disclose the location of the simulator due to security reasons. Whether they given the choice or not, I took it as a sense of discretion. Which every news agency should have about military info. They spent alot of the report, showing people just how the U.S. took the terrorist out, what weapon was used, how the armed forces trains to use said weapons, and they talked with an actual F/A-18 pilot who demonstrated it all. In my opinion, they gave credit where credit was due. If any other station did this, then I missed it. But if it was on another station, it was probably because they saw what Fox was doing, and tried to follow suit. And I especially like Bill O'reilly. Simply because he invites opponents to come on his show and debate him. He gives them the opportunity to explain their side of whatever the topic is. So I think if Fox isn't fair and balanced, it's more so than anything else your going to find out there.

Carbiner,
The incident you described sounds to me like harrasement in every sense of the word. Especially if they blocked your path or made you feel nervous for your life. Noone should have to put up with that, noone.

 

[Al Norris]

"Thoughtful and polite" being the key words here. As I stated in my preamble to the question (I must assume you missed it)

Nope. Didn't miss it. But, and here's the kicker; I refuse to be baited.

Despite your "preamble," you cannot guarantee the behavior of individuals who register and post here.

And when the right does this stuff, you don't hear a lot of complaining... from the right.

I'm an O'Reilly fan. I've watched/listened to him bash the right just about as often as he bashes the left.

You possibly don't remember the squabbles about Nixon? Ford (for pardoning Nixon)? North? Gingrich? Of course, let's not forget Bush Sr. and Jr?

 

[mthalo]

A little off topic, but relevant to firearms ownership.

Anyhow I was called some very disturbing names and accused of war crimes.

I'm curious as to what your immediate reaction to that was? I know what I would have liked to do and what I could have gotten away with doing are tow different things.

I have watch liberal ideolgy just ruin Minneapolis, the city I was born and raised, I don't even rcognize now

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Silly Rant mode on,
If you're from Minnesota, I'll support your first amendment rights only if you promise never to use them to recommend an Italian restaurant.:barf:


I lived there for four years until very recently, and found it to be a little, bland, boring city trying to be a big sophisticated city, resulting in it having all the worst New York has to offer, with little of the good. The whole place is filled with what I call, "bumper sticker politicians", views no more complex than what can fit on a bumper sticker.
Silly Rant mode off.