Why has the military not purchased Glocks?

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Glock delivered pistols with a 1911 safety to Tasmania.
Glock has prototypes of a pistol that uses a safety similar in use to a British SA-80 rifle's safety. It has not been put into production.
Both of those contracts are significantly smaller than the US DOD contract.
 
Glock delivered pistols with a 1911 safety to Tasmania.

OK, so you're saying they can do it, and have done it for a "small" contract. So, what then must we conclude? that they haven't done so for US trials, simply because they don't want to??
 
Yes, their reasoning for avoiding the trials is either due to the politics of the process, not wanting to lose control of proprietary information, or something else we've not considered in this thread. It isn't because they are vehemently opposed to a Glock with a manual safety.

Ruger built a pistol from scratch around the design specs of the trial and decided not to submit it due to the politics.
 
The "politics" of the contract is the US Gov't will own the TDP for the gun and it will get outsourced to whoever the contract winner prefers.

As in S&W making Glock pistols. There is no requirement for the guns to all be made by Glock, just as there is no requirement for us to only buy M4's from Colt. So, FN and Remington can bid and win the contract for them.

It's not single source and the contract winner determines who the subcontractors are because the submittal becomes US Property. Lock stock and barrel.

Why design and build a gun you don't have a guarantee of actually putting into production? Once the details became painfully clear, those who wanted to put them out for public sale did it on their own.

The DOD has a track record of buying COTS equipment then outsourcing production to competitors. It's been a serious point of controversy among the vendors with unique products who WERE the only previous source. There are more than a few who refuse to do business because of it, only to discover their products are getting outsourced anyway.

All of this is coming to the top as the contract and submittals are getting processed. Does Glock want to see their G17 become a commodity gun produced by two or three competitors, with the proprietary data on specific dimensions handed out? Bad enough to have your gun reverse engineered, AKA the Ruger LCP/Keltec. Worse yet it it's not just a functional copy, it's a Clone in every respect except the roll mark on the slide.

The contract calls for the winning submittal to give up all the intellectual property rights for others to clone and make a profit on. Do they get a per unit surcharge repaid them, like Mauser did when the 03's were made in WWI? No mention of that yet. Did Colt get paid for the millions of 1911's Remington Rand, Ithaca, and Union Switch made?

From the gun makers perspective, this deal stinks. It's no wonder the Army Chief would prefer to just buy off the shelf now rather than wait for the "approved" version two or three years down the road. And if there is a court decision thrown into the works delaying things even further, do we as taxpayers want to pay for arsenal refurbishing of M9's while Congress and the courts decide to do what the Chief wanted all along?
 
The idea that Gaston's ego would allow someone else (like S&W) to produce HIS gun is ludicrous. He will pass on this "opportunity" and stick with selling his pistols to LE and other countries Military before that happens.
 
The armed forces have been buying firearms for 200 years - they know a little about buying quantities of firearms and what they want in a sidearm. Law enforcement guns are not used in the same type of conditions as military guns.

I agree they know "little" about firearms. Don't confuse "armed forces" with the political machine that (mis)appropriates funding for weapons systems after the equipment in the field has far exceeded its useful duty life cycle. It's a political boondoggle and we know it. Don't let them spend hundreds of millions, perhaps billions we don't have in the first place, on a weapons trial that will likely be suspended anyway until they finally decide which "commercial off the shelf" duty sidearm they can buy at a reasonable price to serve the needs of our warfighters.

OBTW, law enforcement uses a duty pistol as a primary means of self defense, our combat forces use the M9 primarily as a "BUG", and it's just not useful in any other role. The Army's Contract Command at Picatinny Arsenal could certainly learn plenty from the law enforcement track record to select a new duty pistol, no doubt about that.
 
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The answer to the titular question is probably more complicated, but I would break it down into two different reasons:

1. Basically what tirod posted, regarding intellectual property, etc..

2. Because, and I'm sure that the Glock fanboys will get their panties in a bunch over this, but "Glock Perfection" is a marketing slogan, not a reality.

Now, with #2, I'm not saying that Glocks are not good guns. They are, and that is coming from someone that has no desire to own one.

I know the OP said he carries a non-Glock and is not a Glock fanboy, but the simple existence of the question is an example of what Glock is good at, which is marketing. Glock makes a good (not great, IMO), reliable handgun that probably could/should sell at a lower price than it does, but with their awesome marketing they can sell it for what they do. IMO, Glock is really to handguns what Apple is to consumer electronics. Glock doesn't need the contract, and would probably need to make quite a few tweaks to meet the requirements, so I don't think they have much of a reason to attempt to get the contract.

All that being said, I think that this military contract is a GREAT opportunity for a manufacturer that doesn't have a great market share in the US and is looking to get a boost. Smith & Wesson, Glock, etc. are established with law enforcement and while in the short term they may benefit from the contract, the fact that they would give up the exclusive rights to the design might not be worth it in the long run.

I would really like to see CZ make a run for it, as I think they could REALLY benefit from the exposure. They are kind of an enthusiast's brand right now, and as it is the basic CZ-75 design (which all of their designs are based off of) is already widely copied and not really proprietary, so I don't think losing exclusive rights would be a big deal to them. I think they could tweak the P-07 and P-09 design to make it a very competitive option. One of the biggest things they would need to change is that they are designed to have a safety or decocker, not both at the same time like the military wants. I think they could probably do it without ALOT of changes. From what I've read on CZ forums, though, being a smaller company it sounds like they might not want to risk a huge investment that a submission would require without a gurantee of a return.
 
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I agree they know "little" about firearms. Don't confuse "armed forces" with the political machine that (mis)appropriates funding for weapons systems after the equipment in the field has far exceeded its useful duty life cycle. It's a political boondoggle and we know it.

I'm not "confusing" anything. I've worked on government projects for most of my 35 years in engineering, including one-of-a-kind land mine finding equipment.

The entire government acquisition process is convoluted and expensive specifically because of the rules put into place by Congress to avoid conflict of interest in the purchasing process.

Congress doesn't decide how the money is going to be spent by the armed forces or any other department. Departments have budgets approved by Congress, and then there are other projects that are outside of the budget and become line items in the federal budget.

I've worked on both kinds of projects. The last one I worked on was a $253M DOE project that was a congressional line item in the federal budget.

Really, I have a fairly intimate understanding of how things get purchased by the federal government. If the Army has decided they need a new handgun - that's their decision and they have to sell it to a whole host of people before it gets to the Secretary of the Army, several Assistant Secretaries of Defense, and then the Secretary of Defense.

All of that happens BEFORE Congress appropriates money for the US Army. It's not up to Congress to second guess all of the people in the chain of command who've made the recommendation to fund a specific purchase.

If the Army has made its case, and fits the acquisition into their budget - then it's not up to Congress to pull a specific project out of the budget and redirect the money.

It's not like somebody in the Army gets a wild hair and decides to buy something, and then Congress "misappropriates" the money. There's a whole lengthy process before any money is dedicated to a purchase.

If the money is part of the appropriations for the Army as part of their budget - then that's how the ARMY has decided to spend the money appropriated for their budget.

An acquisition is a drawn out process on purpose, and for numerous reasons.

The Army has nothing to do with HOW things get purchased, they can only follow federal laws and the mandated acquisition process.

The DOE project I worked on took 10 years from conception to completion. The cost escalation alone over that time period accounted for the project costing at least 20% more than the cost analysis in the first report submitted to the DOE for review.

They've been trying to build the Chemical and Metallurgy Research Replacement (CMRR) facility at Los Alamos National Laboratories since 1989. The original cost proposal was a mere $88 million. The last budget I saw had the cost approaching $5 billion...

The new pistol isn't going to get any cheaper by waiting or spending the money how Monday Morning Quarterbacks think it should be spent.

I'm betting that if you could look at the backup documentation and reports on the purchase, you'd find out they've done a whole lot of work to justify the purchase.

Nobody in a government agency spends that much money without reams of reports and cost analysis that backs up the decision.

You may not agree with any of it...but, that's immaterial as you're not any smarter than they are - and they have the documentation and you don't.

Then, there's the problem of two colors of money: acquisition and operations & maintenance (O&M) within the budget. You can't buy new equipment with O&M money; and you can't do O&M with acquisition money.

Sometimes you have to buy new equipment because that's the money available.
 
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Honestly, if we are going to change, M9A3 is the way to go.


In ANY circumstance, for a pistol/sidearm, the cheapest way is THE way to go.

Please don't take that to mean that I think we should all be carrying Hi-Points. Clearly the M9 is "good enough" but the XM17 could be better. But honestly, I think, as long as we're not lowering standards the absolute cheapest option should be the one awarded a contract.

In that respect I think replacing a bunch of M9 frames would be cheaper than replacing several thousand entire M9 pistols.
 
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The entire government acquisition process is convoluted and expensive specifically because of the rules put into place by Congress to avoid conflict of interest in the purchasing process.

No joke; that general who reasonably stated 'we should just go with Glocks' is probably speaking from a position of considerable unfounded bias* if not actual personal/financial interest. Even if the end result is s fine selection, it exposes the whole system to lawsuits by S&W, HK, FN, Springfield, and all the other people making the same EZ-Bake striker-fired pistol at this point. And at worst, we find out the decision maker(s) are direct investors in the company or on its board of directors, or something.

In a simple procurement like this that's also highly visible, probably not as huge a concern, but when it comes to selecting whether the lowest bidder or the Colonel's nephew gets the contract for scrubbing the toilets or painting buildings, abuse would run rampant in short order.

TCB

*By which I mean it is unsubstantiated; you know, to prove to skeptical congressmen & tax payers he was actually qualified to make that particular choice, vs. a personal preference
 
In response to the OP's actual question, let's go with:
Because Glock hasn't entered the bidding process for the contract, for reasons known to Glock, but about which we can only speculate

and leave it at that.
 
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