Why guns must be outlawed and confiscated

steelheart

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The experts at the Brady Campaign, Million Mom March, Americans for Gun Safety and the United Nations are in unanimous agreement that all guns must be outlawed and removed from the possession of citizens in the United States. Here are several of their reasons as to why this must be done.

1: The more helpless you are, the safer you are from criminals.

2: An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 magnum will become outraged and kill you.

3: A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

4: The Second Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which did not exist until 130 years later, having been formed in 1917.

5: The phrases “Right of the people to peaceably assemble,” “ right of the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,” and “the powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people” all refer to individuals. However, “The right of the people to keep and bear arms” refers to the state.

6: Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary for national defense. This explains why the U.S. armed forces have tens of millions of them.

7: Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns because they are not “military weapons.” Also, private citizens shouldn’t have “assault rifles” because they are military weapons.

8: A handgun, with up to four controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to use, as compared to an automobile that has up to 20 controls.

9: Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

10: A majority of the population supports gun control, just as a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

11: Most people can’t be trusted so we should have laws against guns, which all criminals will obey because they can be trusted.

12: The right of internet pornographers to operate cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self-defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

13: Police officers operate with backup in large groups, which is why they need large capacity pistol magazines, as opposed to “civilians” who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

14: We should ban “Saturday Night Specials” and all other inexpensive handguns because it isn’t fair that poor people have access to self-defense guns too.

15: Private citizens do not need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them, even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

16: Citizens do not need to carry guns for personal protection, but police chiefs, who are desk bound administrators who work in a building filled with armed police, do need to carry a gun.

17: “Assault weapons” have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people quickly. The police need “assault weapons;” you do not.

18: Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes. This is why you see police officers with them on their duty weapons.

19: Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) thinks that a concealed carry permit will not help prevent personal crime. That's why she has one.




Source: Soldier of Fortune magazine, Dec. 2004, pp. 14-17, 75.
 
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Amen....

The problem is that most people who are pro gun control are ignorant. They believe that police are their for protection, but how many crimes are stopped by police versus how many crimes are investigated?

Problem is, that most people don't understand that generally criminals are like predators that attack animals that are in herds. They go for the easiest, weakest target. How many would-be rapists would think twice if a recent rape attempt in their town resulted in a dead rapist!? Even if it wouldn't deter them, it would eliminate the immeadiate threat....


Logic and gun-control are not related...:mad:
 
Is that what we're supposed to do, forward this? Or are there many (any) members who are anti-gun that would benefit from reading this?
 
Handy said:
Is that what we're supposed to do, forward this? Or are there many (any) members who are anti-gun that would benefit from reading this?

No and I didn't forward this to TFL members. I forwarded it to people who fall for some of the lame excuses used by anti-gun people.
 
Forward it to everybody!:D The more people who see the antigun bigot's "Black is white, white is black" logic(:barf: ) the better.
 
Guns cause violence like flies cause garbage. I can see getting rid of junk guns because they're really not safe to fire. As I've stated before guns are no different than any other potentially lethal item.

I would just love to see the Brady Bunch's "point of view" but I can't seem to get my head that far up my @$$:D
 
Here's an idea...

I would just love to see the Brady Bunch's "point of view" but I can't seem to get my head that far up my @$$
Yessir, the Brady Bunch seem to be blessed with contortionist skills that defy the abilities of the human physique...:D

Yes, maybe we should get rid of cheap, "junk guns" that are not safe. But then, how would poor people arm themselves for self-defense?

Hmmmmmmmmm... WAIT - I KNOW!! Upon presenting proof of financial distress, the (LAW ABIDING) poor could be given one long gun and one handgun and a supply of ammunition by "The Government!"

This program could offer the choice of a Remington 870 12ga. or a Marlin lever action .30-30 for the long gun, and the choice of a 4" Ruger .357 magnum revolver or a Glock in .40S&W for the handgun.

Now there's a government program we could all oive with!!!
 
I can see getting rid of junk guns because they're really not safe to fire.
Ask WillBrayjr - it was his idea.

Funny thing is, I have been shooting, reloading, buying guns, going to gun shops and big-ass gun shows for 28 years now, and I have yet to see what I would consider a gun that is not safe to fire - you just don't find them in the lawful gun market...
 
I consider any gun made out of zinc alloy to be junk. There are plenty of surplus handguns like Maks and Smith M-10s as far as handguns go for people on a low budget;)
 
I've never seen a handgun made out of zinc alloy - what kind is it, and what caliber?? Did it come from a former Soviet bloc nation?
 
Manufacturers that use zinc alloy are Bryco, Jennings, Davis, Hi-Point, Lorcin, Ravin, Sundance, and even Smith&Wesson used zinc alloy slides for their SW380. The SW380 is no longer made for that reason. Hi-Point reinforces their gun with steel or aluminum inserts in critical areas but I still wouldn't trust them

All of these are US manufacturers.
 
Hi-Point reinforces their gun with steel or aluminum inserts in critical areas but I still wouldn't trust them

But many of us do, so do you propose to have the government ban and confiscate my weapon for my own safety?

If they are so unsafe why has there not been a recall due to all the KBs ?

I personally do not want the government to be able to have ANY say-so about a firearm I choose to own.
 
Turns out I have heard of Jennings and Hi Point (and S&W, of course), but I didn't know about them using zinc in the construction of their guns.

It's ironic that the safety of a gun made of zinc with steel reinforcements is questionable, yet a gun made of 50% plastic with steel reinforcements (GLOCK) is to-hell-and-back reliable, safe and durable, even chambered in 10mm which is the ballistic equivalent of the .41 magnum...

That says something good about Glocks! No wonder 100 jillion of 'em have been sold!
 
junk guns

"Junk" guns such as Jennings, Bryco, etc. are not junk. Cheaply made, yes. Unreliable, often. Junk in the sense that they are not quality like big name manufacturers, but not junk in the sense that they are dangerous to use. If they were, the market would put them out of business in short order.

Every attempt by the govt to define "junk" guns, saturday night specials, or whatever you wnt to call them has resulted in the inclusion of quality guns made by the major manufacturers.

There are real junk guns out there, but as has been noted before, they are often found in the possession of people who cannot leaglly purchase guns, and don't want to waste their money on something they are going to throw away.
 
Zinc alloy is a soft brittle metal which doesn't asorb (spelling) shock well. Even with steel inserts the zinc will sooner than later receive a stress fracture.

Polymer on the other is alot more flexable making it easy to asorb shock even though it has steel inserts for the slide to ride on. Polymer isn't a standard plastic regardless of what anyone says. Ruger uses fiberglass in their compound and Wilson Combat uses or used to use kevlar in their compound.
 
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