Why Doesn't Ruger Make A Compact/CC Auto?

Jeff,
That may be true, but what about the SP101??? For your statement to be logically consistant, Ruger should have restricted it to military and LEO sales only!!! I therefore stick to my reasoning that it is one of manufacturing and engineering. The P95 was always advertised as being a "compact" pistol. I know. I have one of the originals!!!
 
The SP101 is HEAVY. It's a compact like the P93 is a compact.

I agree with RON IN PA. They are not in the same class as Smith and Wesson. They are a lot ******* worse. They actually wrote and got anti-gun legislation made.
 
Ruger makes a few guns that I like. Automatic handguns are not one them.
I don't even like the submachinegun they make.

If Ruger DID make a compact auto - I still would not like it.
 
Hey USGuns, that comment you made is about as ignorant as I have seen in a while. Those of us that have spoken against Strum & Ruger have spoke nothing but the truth. How does that make us bigots. I could give a rats a** if Ruger is your favorite flavor as that is your right. I would not call you a retard for having such a bent regardless of what I thought. You obviously don't have a hair on that fat butt of yours or you would make like a man and recant that idiotic statement.
 
Can't buy HK because those mean Germans attempt to take over the world every so often.
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The GOOD part is, they usually start by whipping the snot out of the French. Its about time Octoberfest was held in Paris again.
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Bill Ruger's 10 round mag stance really ticked me off.
Still does.
Same with what S&W did.
At least they are still in business, and we can still own guns!

As BlueDuck357 pointed out, it would be really hard to find a manufacturer whose owner I agreed with on every issue that is important to me.

Do they feel the same way I do about:
Faith (religion)
Politics
Abortion
Homosexual rights
Animal rights
Trees
Whales
Taxes
etc. etc. etc.

In America, if I want to coat horse biscuits in chocolate and sell them, that is my right.
If you don't want to buy them, that is your right.

Bill Ruger, the owners of S&W, Justin Moon, - they have a right to do whatever they want in their business, or or personal lives.

Ruger could have decided he would only sell to government or L.E., which is what Colt practically did.
At least he thinks civilians should be allowed to own guns, for Pete's sake!

When S&W made a deal with the government , the business was in trouble, they were getting sued by Cities right and left, and it looked like liberals had a death grip on the White House.

I try not to do business with companies that are in blatant disagreement with my values.
But Ruger, S&W, Kahr, .. all of these companies believe that I have a right to own a firearm, and that they should be able to sell me one.

I tried not to enter this discussion, because I know many of you will never buy another Ruger.
Many others will never buy another S&W.
And nothing I say is going to make you change your mind.

Oh and BlueDuck357 forgot one.....
Can't buy North American Arms, because they buy frame castings from Kahr, who we can't buy from, because of the Moonies, ........
 
Strum & Ruger does not believe that Americans have a need or a right to personal protection through the use of a concealable firearm.
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Funny, my concealable firearm of choice is the Ruger SP101.
In short, the management at Strum & Ruger does not believe that Americans have a need or a right to personal protection through the use of a concealable firearm. Do the Constitution a favor and do not purchase Ruger firearms.
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In short Remington, Winchester and Marlin does not believe that Americans have a right to personal protection through the use of an "assault" weapon (like an AR 15). "Do the Constitution a favor and do not purchase Remington, Winchester and Marlin firearms." Sounds kind of silly doesn't it?

BUT IF YOU DO WANT TO TALK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, let's talk about Winchester refusing to sell their "Ranger" ammunition to honest, law-abiding citizens. Or how about Federal and their various LE only loadings (e.g., 9BBLE and others). Maybe we should get realistic and not ammunition of any sort from Winchester and Federal.

Blue Duck has the right idea.
 
BUT IF YOU DO WANT TO TALK POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, let's talk about Winchester refusing to sell their "Ranger" ammunition to honest, law-abiding citizens. Or how about Federal and their various LE only loadings (e.g., 9BBLE and others). Maybe we should get realistic and not ammunition of any sort from Winchester and Federal.
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This is all CYA.
The "LE Only" ammo is usually loaded beyond SAAMI specs, and is not sold on the open market, due to some moron trying to use it in his Hi-Point or Jennings, Lorcin, etc. and eating the slide when it KB's.
No PC involved, just CYA.
 
This is all CYA.
The "LE Only" ammo is usually loaded beyond SAAMI specs, and is not sold on the open market, due to some moron trying to use it in his Hi-Point or Jennings, Lorcin, etc. and eating the slide when it KB's.
No PC involved, just CYA.
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No, not CYA but rather political correctness pure and simple. A quick visit to the Winchester LE website will reveal that their Ranger Series is available in regular SAAMI specs, SAAMI +P specs and SAAMI +P+ specs. It is all SAAMI spec'd--nothing to CYA (besides how many Hi-Points, Jennings or Locin, etc. have you seen in 357 Sig). (They do sell +P in other lines besides the "Law Enforcement Only" Ranger line.)

No, it is strictly political correctnes position. FWIW, it all started with heat they took for the "Black Talon" line (now the "Ranger" line) when it first came out. Winchester just caved-in to political correctness movement.
 
I think the Talon load is the exception to the rule in that it was "political correcteness" that made it LE only in that the media got hold of the evil black talon thing and wouldn't let it drop. Winchester decided (likely correctly) that they would have to go LE only with it or watch it banned from production entirely after much initial investment.

The rest of the loads I think are restricted not because of PC or CYA, but simply marketing. After some loads went that route the other manufacturers lined up for it too. Say your in ammo sales and your competition can say "Really Chief these loads are so good we don't even sell them to the public!" and you can't ?

Not that this does not work as well or better on civillians than police. Frankly from what I"ve read the original Talons were not all that good a round, yet even today people buy up this old outdated ammo for exorbant prices not for collections but to carry, assuming that since it was "outlawed for civillians" it must be the best. Same things going on with the Ranger "T"'s now. People are buying and carrying old/and or factory seconds ammo for big bucks and carrying it because it has the "aura" of something so wicked they should'nt even have it.:rolleyes:
 
I discounted the SP101 because this is the Semiautomatic Forum. Even though the SP101 is the smallest Ruger made, it is not as small as what is out there, all the way down to a Kel-Tec P32. The SP101 is a small revolver, but not as small as the competition.

A small SP101 has a 2.25" barrel, is 7.06 " overall, and weighs 25.5 ounces.

A S&W mod 37 is a lightweight compact revolver with a sub-2" barrel, 6.5" long, weighing 13.5 ounces. It is thinner than an SP101 as well.

A S&W mod 67 (K-frame) 4" is 9.4" overall and weighs 32 ounces.

These figures are all from Guns Illustrated 1998. S&W even makes the titanium and scandium guns now that weigh half of an SP101. The grip of the SP101 is much closer in size to a round butt K-frame as well.

I am not saying that Ruger is able to make small guns and won't. I am saying that IF Ruger were capable of making small guns they wouldn't. Bill Ruger will not let them make it.
 
WOW!
Spirited conversation here for sure..."I LOVE my Glock!" "I HATE Glocks" "S&W SUCKS!" "Is it o.k. to buy S&W again?" everyone has an opinion...thats whats so great about our country...isn't it? do you want to tell a person who's new to the joys of shooting "you can't buy that Ruger! I don't care if thats all you can afford!" "you have to buy brand X because thats what I use!" Some firearm companies have made some poor choices in the past...choices that have affected our rights to some degree...but they're still FIREARM companies! so brand X gets pushed into a corner...they want to stay in business...they make bad choices...before too long...who's left? who CAN we buy from? if someone asked me what I thought about buying a Ruger who's never shot before...has limited funds...I'd say SURE! good choice...now lets go to the range and teach you how to shoot! just my opinion,
Tony.
 
Sorry Juliet, I was not aware that Remington, Winchester and Marlin were in the business of producing semi-auto pistols. How ever could I have over looked this fact. Wait, the answer is simple...they are in a different market and really are not germain to this discussion. Perhaps they have offered legislation that is errosive to the individual right to keep and bear arms? I know Bill Ruger was instrumental in doing the very same. I suggest that next time you decide to grace us with your words that you check your mouth and ensure that your foot is not already firmly fixed in it. No offense, but your arguement just does not pass muster. I am sure you are a fine person, and its your judgement that I question.
 
Let me try to make it a little simpler for you, Gumbo. Ruger chooses (as is his/his company's right) not to make a compact auto, and you call it political correctness. Remington, Winchester, Marlin, etc. choose not to make "assault" type weapon (as is their right), and it is OK. It makes no sense to condemn Ruger for not offering "compact/CC auto" than it does does to condemn Remington, Winchester, etc. for not offering "assault" type rifles. (BTW, Ruger does make numerous varieties of two different "assault" type rifles and a very fine--at least for a lot of people "compact/CC" revolver.)

I was addressing the sheer unreasonableness (hypocrisy?) of some the positions taken in this thread, and yes, it was germaine to the thread given the direction it has taken. This thread was largely "political" from the first two replies (even though I don't believe that was the original poster's intent).

"Why Doesn't Ruger Make A Compact/CC Auto?" Because they choose not to. It is what individual freedom (and free enterprise) are all about.
 
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denfoote said,

That is why the SP-101 is forged and milled, not cast.
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No flame intended, but are you able to provide any verifcation for this? I've always been of the impression that the reason it is so big is that it is subject to the constraints of cast construction just as the other guns.
 
The Glock compacts and subcompacts have set a blazing trail. The Kahrs are pretty hot too. Throw in a Sig P239 and it will be tough to break into this market segment. Ask Taurus they have been badly burnt!

I am sure they are thinking of it though like other firearms manuf. especially since it seems that the 10-round mag. limit will be around longer than we had expected. THAT MEANS BIG BUCKS IN THIS SEGMENT AS IT WILL GROW AT A FURIOUS PACE AND THESE BUSINESSES WOULD NOT IGNORE THAT.

It appears also that these smaller pistols represents a greater engineering challenge to maintain reliability, recoil control and
durability and accuracy.:cool:
 
I guess Ruger will get around one of these days to making a real compact semi-auto and when they do it will be $200 less than Glock or SIG.
Until then, all you Ruger haters will have to remember that just as you have 2nd Amendment rights, Bill Ruger has 1st Amendment rights.
Buy American- Buy Ruger!!
And with the money you save, get your wife something nice!
That way she will let you buy more guns!
 
Shower time.

I am going to put this thread in a special place. WHY? Because when I get out of the shower all I'll have to do is bring it up and stand in front of the computer to dry off real quick. I haven't seen this much hot air since going to Carlsbad Caverns in the summer.
 
Deutschland uber allis
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That should be "alles", not "allis".
I believe Bill Ruger has made the statement that honest, law-abiding citizens do not need a concealable pistol. Yes, the SP-101 exists. Yes, he has the right to express his opinions. Still, in these parts, thems fighting words. It would be taken by many people as a condemnation of concealed carry.
 
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