Why Doesn't Ruger Make A Compact/CC Auto?

Take your pick:

A)Political Correctness
B)Short Sightedness
C)They've determined there's no market for compact firearms, except among criminals who carry lorcins, jennings, or bryco .25's :rolleyes:
 
Because they know that they don't have a chance of making something near as good as a Kahr or Glock. Get a MK-40 and forget law-abiding Bill and his substandard pistols.
 
The engineering answer is that the investment casting process that Ruger uses places a limit on the size of the handgun in order to get the necessary materials strength.
 
denfoote quote:

"The engineering answer is that the investment casting process that Ruger uses places a limit on the size of the handgun in order to get the necessary materials strength."

OK, I need that explained to me. How does the length of a slide/barrel/frame affect its "strength"?


Also, since they make some of their guns out of polymer, why not use it as the material for a compact pistol, instead of investment castings?

I have a feeling the real reason Ruger doesnt make a concealable auto is the same reason they dont make a 10 round Mini 14 mag... and it smells awful PC.
 
I heard a report last year (unconfirmed) that Ruger was working on a compact, single-stack 9mm. Due to reasons mentioned, including investment casting, it is not likely they would make a really small pistol, but a single stack, 8 or 9 round polymer framed pistol with a 3.5 inch barrel could be considerably smaller than a P95. As to the other statements, Ruger is certainly, uhh, different in some of their positions, but it really is not true that they don't make a small handgun. The SP101 is clearly a compact carry gun. So, making a compact pistol would not violate virgin ground in any way. Clearly, though, that is not the market segment they covet.
 
In short, the management at Strum & Ruger does not believe that Americans have a need or a right to personal protection through the use of a concealable firearm. Do the Constitution a favor and do not purchase Ruger firearms.
 
Because Bill Ruger has stated that he won't make one because no honest man needs one. The same reason he gave for a ten round limit on magazines.
 
OK, I need that explained to me. How does the length of a slide/barrel/frame affect its "strength"?
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Lonegunman,

It has to do with the chrystaline structure of the metal, not the length. Castings are weaker structures than forgings. In a casting, you need to have more metal to get the same strength as with a forging. That is why the SP-101 is forged and milled, not cast. Casting is cheaper, but the down side is that you are limited to doing only certain things with it!!
 
When I was shopping for my first auto CCW I asked my dealer (a large volume dealer) which maker they had the most problems with? (meaning customers/problems)

The answer came back very quick "Ruger" Which one the least? Also very easy replyl "Kimber" I asked what about Para because I had already more or less decided on the C6. Not a problem they just don't sell as many presumably because the Name recognition isn't there. (With novice buy public at least). But they highly recommended them. They had no reason not to tell me what they really though because they knew full well that I was going to buy one from them and it would be either the Kimber or the Para.
 
denfoote, you may be correct, but the real reason is the PC reason. I asked Ruger about that years ago while at a SHOT Show. This is when Ruger was bragging about being left out of lawsuits because they only have 27 customers. Bill Ruger does not want his firearms considered carry firearms for use by the general public. They are for sporting use, law enforcement carry, and home defense. That is all. There is no reason to make a reliable, inexpensive, compact handgun as it is not necessary to fit into any of those categories. That is directly from the mouth of a VP at Ruger, as told to him by Bill Ruger.
 
I'm glad I read this thread, I was about to buy a 95 for a plinker, maybe a Taurus since all the "American" manufacturers seem to be selling out, it's a sad day when buying made in USA is the anti gun thing?
 
Swamprot - as you were buying your first auto, consider that it is in the sellers interest to sell a higher ticket item instead of a lower ticket item. Salesmanship...always move 'em up the price scale. They may have been completely truthful or they may have "spun" the truth.

JeffOTMG - one thing that always strikes me about the Ruger attitude is that when a guy starts a business in a shed and builds it into a very large gunmaking and manufacturing business, he can probably do whatever he wants, knowing he is not going to please everyone. I'm not sure that being a classic capitalist and entrepreneur is anything but very American. He is not obligated to produce any products he doesn't want to produce, even though I wish he would. I buy the stuff he does make that I like, which is plenty and respect his entrepreneurship even as I disagree with some of his positions. There is nothing I can see wrong with defining your market as sportsmen, law enforcement and home defense. Nothing I can see "obligates" him to the CCW market unless he chooses to go after it. So, I still hope for a single stack polymer 9mm nmt 5 inches tall with a 3.5 inch barrel but don't hold my breath.
 
Lets set the record straight, Bill Ruger did not propose a 10 round limit, he proposed a 15 round limit. Probably due to the 17 round mags in the Glock 17. This is not to excuse his supporting the concept of mag limits, a position he has recanted. For all the PC the Ruger company spouts, ie. sporting arms for responsible sportsman, I do not put him inthe same class as S&W.

Also, is it a fact that the SP 100 is forged? They don.t advertise as such.
 
spooker - check out the P95

spooker, don't let the anti-Ruger bigots here "spook" you. The Ruger P95 is a great pistol and a great value. I love mine. It's accurate, reliable, durable, affordable and American made. Bill Ruger made a big mistake with the magazine limit but has since taken that position back, donated a ton of cash to the NRA and has now retired.
 
I don't doubt the dealer that said he had the most problems with Rugers and the least with Kimbers, but this is likely because he sells 10 Rugers for every Kimber that goes out the door. I know several people with them and have yet to hear a complaint, except about looks ;)

As for the Politics of it.

Can't buy Ruger because Bill supported a 15 round ban.

Can't buy Smith and Wesson because the previous owners made an agreement the new owners can't get out of legally.

Can't buy Kimber because they use S/W for parts.

Can't buy Kahr because of the Moonie connection

Can't buy Glock because Austria tacitly assisted the Natzi's

Can't buy Beretta because the money could end up with the mafia.

Can't buy Colt becuase every 5 years or so they consider getting out of the handgun business all together.

Can't buy HK because those mean Germans attempt to take over the world every so often.

Geez, maybe we don't even need H.C.I...
 
Bill Ruger made a big mistake with the magazine limit but has since taken that position back, donated a ton of cash to the NRA and has now retired.
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I'd be interested in seeing where Ruger publicly recanted his statements along with his retraction of his letter to Congress on this issue. It'd be really interesting because he never changed his mind on this subject, unless you had a private conversation on the issue.

As for being retired, big deal. He retired before the 2002 Shot Show, where Ruger the company stated they wouldn't make a concealed carry weapon for lowly subjects . . . I mean, citizens.

As for the money to the NRA, it went to the museum, not where it could have done any good.
 
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