why do you HATE laser sites

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jborushko

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I dont understand the Hatred of laser grips.

every time a thread opens up about the use of lasers it’s a war!

i dont understand the arguments against.

IMO lasers are a great addition to a CCW in as much as they can be used as an aid in aiming if required. While i would NOT suggest depending solely on the laser for target acquisition, i dont see why you cant use it. Personally i have crimson trance on most of my ccws. Colt New Agent 3" 1911(which does not have conventional sights at all -trench sight) para CCW LDA 4" 1911 (which has the three white dot sights) Colt combat commander (three white dot) Keltec PF9 (stock sights) Ruger sp01...

i dont use the laser as my fixed aiming point i still use the front sight, but in low to no light conditions its obviously hard to see the front sight so why not have at your disposal one more advantage?

sure batteries die, but when do you change the batteries in your flash lights? when the light is dim or completely dead? besides the batteries last for years in these depending on usage.

the cost? i can concede that crimson trace HAS gotten a little proud of their grips, but they are findable for $150-200 still

extra training? not for the the actual use of the laser, the on button is where it would be turned on just by gripping. a little getting used to not focusing on the laser is needed but not hard.

it seems to me that the "haters" believe that it is a sight REPLACEMENT as apposed to a additional sight, or backup.

why the hate?
 
I don't hate them, either.

I just don't feel that they have any particular utility, and for some these days they're a crutch to actually learning to use iron sights.

I don't agree with their use on a CCW handgun, either.

If, however, someone else wants to use the for CCW? More power to him/her/it.
 
I don't hate 'em, but don't particularly care for them either. Hate is too strong a word, but one that's easily bandied around these days. Lots of other words have shown slippage as well. Words like "racist" and "terrorist" have almost lost their meaning due to general misuse. I take the trend as a general indictment on our educational system, which no longer teaches proper English and use of a dictionary.

You can't hate a tool. It does what it is designed to do, or it doesn't.
 
I don't hate them at all. However i don't think I would put one on my pistol, on the other hand I do want and plan on getting a very good green laser for my ar15. It will make it look "tacticool" :)

And I would love one of those I r laser from surfire, now that would be awesome, my neighbors would never get any sleep :) but they are only available to law enforcement or military :(
 
Like most thus far, I don't hate them, but believe they have very limited utility on a CCW. Despite all the talk of using them in addition to normal sights, the reality is that people become dependent on them and forget the fundementals. Just like its very easy to say 'booger hook off the bang switch till you're ready to shoot' and yet 3 out of 4 rounds fired in NYC by the "trained" police department are negligant discharges per NYPD's own report.
 
Why? I don't see red too clearly, so the choices are limited. Family history of color blindness, etc.
 
why do you HATE laser SIGHTS

I have a laser sight on one of my CCWs. I like it.

I don't make value judgements on what someone else chooses to carry. I expect the same in return. :)
 
I own 3 and all are set so the laser dot is behind the front sight when using the iron sights so you don't even see the dot. That way you can't become dependent on the laser but it's on the same spot if for some reason you can't get your eye behind the sights etc.
 
I don't see the point of hating them. You like'em, you get one. You don't like, you don't get one.

For me, it's just that they're a bit too expensive (at least where I live), but should they be cheaper, I'll probably get one for my CCW. You never know when they would help you staying alive.
 
I took a revolver specific CCW training class. The guys with the lasers toasted everyone else in attendance with time to first shot on target and overall accuracy. Night sights were second and not a close second. Plain sights were last by a wide margin. Before we started there were guys with their plain sights saying how they didn't see the need for a laser. By the end they were going to buy some. A lot of the training was in low light to simulate the most likely real occurrence.

Lasers let you keep your focus on the threat. They also let you take aimed fire as soon soon as your firearm clears the holster. Anyone who doesn't understand the incredible benefits the laser gives has never been through training and seen the difference in performance first hand. I would put my money on the guy with the laser every time. He will be faster to the first shot on target and his groups will be smaller in fast shooting.

Once additional benefit of lasers is for training. That dot on the wall shows just how much you are flinching or pulling the gun off target when you pull the trigger. You can also practice point shooting with them. Draw and come up to target with the laser on. Do that 10 times. Then turn the laser off and draw and come up to target. Hit the laser. Are you on target? Do this drill a few times a day for a week and you'll be amazed how much your point shooting without the laser has improved and you have not spent a dime on ammo to make it happen. The money you save on ammo costs in training will offset the cost of the laser. They are a great tool that can give you an edge.

A red dot scope on a handgun gives the same basic sight picture as a laser. You get a red dot on the same plane as the target. They don't let them use those scopes against the guys with open sights because the guys with open sights would get dusted every time.
 
Lasers have their place, especially on a defensive handgun. I don't use one, because the very few times I have used one it was slower for me than irons.

I don't think lasers are all that some people make them out to be either. They have batteries and can fail for many more reasons than standard sights and they can become a crutch to poor shooting habits.

In the end, proper grip and trigger control still determine if you hit or miss, not what your sights are.
 
I'm with you. I have a few guns with laser grips and a few without. It shouldn't be the only sighting device you have, but it sure does help when firing from unconventional stances/grip angles. People hate because they hate change or because they've seen someone use them improperly IMO. If they had them they'd probably see the advantage of them (some wouldn't but most would).
 
i just bought and installed my first laser site about 3 weeks ago........i really like it EXCEPT! the limited amount of holsters available for guns with lasers.
 
There are those that like them...those that don't.

I've found advantages for them on my ccw and feel if I ever have to use my ccw in a SD situation, I want every edge I can get.

Also, they are a good 'trigger control' training aid.

In no way, should they ever replace learning/practicing with iron sights.
 
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