Why Do People Try To Get Me To Do Things Illegally?

Once I was wanting to buy a certain pistol, my wife approached the gun counter first and asked to see the gun. I caught up and started looking at the pistol. I handed back to the employee and asked to start the paperwork. The guy refused to sell because my wife asked to see it first. I didn't give the guy any greif, I just went back a week later.
 
different scenario but I don't bother arguing w/employees either

Once I was wanting to buy a certain pistol, my wife approached the gun counter first and asked to see the gun. I caught up and started looking at the pistol. I handed back to the employee and asked to start the paperwork. The guy refused to sell because my wife asked to see it first. I didn't give the guy any greif, I just went back a week later.
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I went to get "Sr" on my license when I changed state residences. I was diligent, as it was updated on my social security card etc. I even had my passport as a backup since I didn't know how stringent this state was. Anyways, the passport was years old, so that didn't have "Sr" on my name. The young girl seemed in awe of the passport, and she asked to see it. Her exact words were: "I am required to use the passport". Huh?! She said if I didn't have the passport I would be ok though. I was having trouble understanding at this point but never batted an eye:confused:(I was really nice to the employee which I always am and knew arguing or debating would just hurt my choices more anyways).

Anyways, that was debunked by the woman standing next to her, but the young girl then claimed that they weren't allowed to put "Sr" on licenses anymore. Huh?! Anyways, I got the license and drove to the other location the same day to do a simple name change which in effect nullified my license which I cut up upon getting home(literally the temprary paper type since it takes time to mail original. $10 fee to do a name change. The little old lady said that was ridiculous she wouldn't add the suffix especially for a proud Daddy:cool:
 
Had another encounter where the guy was pretty much "freaking out" because it was five minutes to closing. I explained that I called and the person said it wasn't an issue(scheduling issues due to kids and work with this place). He was insistent on how checks take too long. Anyways, the other two guys seemed to take my side especially since I spoke to one of them on the phone. He continued to sort of "freak out" and upset the customer he was helping by saying he wasn't gonna wait for his check to come back anymore. He left right on the dot...as I already knew, my check comes back immediate everytime with an ok in seconds.

It all started because I wanted to try the holster with it before buying it(about an extra 15 second procedure).
 
You really can't fix stupid.

I was in a LGS a few years ago and found a Service Six I had to have, anyway, a guy was in there for a while looking at the display, he was open carrying a SA Ruger on his hip. I was filling out paperwork when he decided on a purchase, now his wife had been standing meekly next to him steps up to make the purchase, the owner looks at her and asks if the gun is for her, she looks at her husband, he says its for him. Now the owner is a little hot now, he says the guy has to buy it," can't" he says... "are you a felon?" asks the owner, this guy smiles and says "yes"!!! and continues " but its just for DUI's" I think my jaw dropped as far as the owners!! When the owner told him he could get 8 years for carrying a gun the stupid grin on his face never wavered.
An open carrying felon!!! Somehow he rationalized that since his felonies were "just for DUI's" that he should be able to buy a gun.
Now, how that dumbase rationalized open carry is beyond me.
 
You've gotta figure that at least some of those guys are ATF agents keeping an eye on the internetz.
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A-yup. And not just ATF.

Here in Ill-i-noise, one of our past Attorneys General was involved in an internet gun sales entrapment sting. "Sure, it's OK to just mail it to me."
 
The majority of people are only honest if it convenient for them.
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I doubt that can be proven or has metrics to back it up. Perhaps you should start that with "I think", or "From my experience". Otherwise, you should post the info that backs up your statement.
 
Heck, I've erred on the other side. Went to a store to do a transfer, and was informed that they didn't need to be involved (scratched my head at this as it was an interstate transfer, but was not clear on the laws)...but I paid to have the check done anyway. Little bit for the store, and the seller was assured it was legit.
 
[I doubt that can be proven or has metrics to back it up. Perhaps you should start that with "I think", or "From my experience". Otherwise, you should post the info that backs up your statement.]

It is simple if you look at those who speed for example. Is it dishonest to speed? It is not legal.
Jeremiah 17:9 *The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Jerry
 
They don't mind putting you at risk so long as they get their gun.
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This is closest. Worked at a couple of gunshops before, ran into the same things mentioned. Never forget many years ago when I sold my UZI I had a guy ask me to meet him in parking lot behind a Dominoes Pizza! Needless to say THAT sale didn't happen!
 
WOW!!

You really can't fix stupid.

I was in a LGS a few years ago and found a Service Six I had to have, anyway, a guy was in there for a while looking at the display, he was open carrying a SA Ruger on his hip. I was filling out paperwork when he decided on a purchase, now his wife had been standing meekly next to him steps up to make the purchase, the owner looks at her and asks if the gun is for her, she looks at her husband, he says its for him. Now the owner is a little hot now, he says the guy has to buy it," can't" he says... "are you a felon?" asks the owner, this guy smiles and says "yes"!!! and continues " but its just for DUI's" I think my jaw dropped as far as the owners!! When the owner told him he could get 8 years for carrying a gun the stupid grin on his face never wavered.
An open carrying felon!!! Somehow he rationalized that since his felonies were "just for DUI's" that he should be able to buy a gun.
Now, how that dumbase rationalized open carry is beyond me.
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I think your first line said it all!:eek:
 
I wonder how long he was a free man after that...stupid like that he'd probably go ask a cop...and get collared right away. 5 years for the gun, 5 years for each round of ammo.
 
An open carrying felon!!! Somehow he rationalized that since his felonies were "just for DUI's" that he should be able to buy a gun.
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I'd like to say this surprises me, but I've met too many people who, when their idea of "just, moral and right" doesn't agree with the law, can rationalize just about anything to themselves.

"I know my son lives in a different state, but he's my son - I don't really need to make the transfer through an FFL."

"I'll just send this through the post office - the buyer's not a restricted person, and it's not like I'm an arms dealer or a smuggler or anything."

"Sure, I have a felony, but it wasn't a *violent* felony - why can't I have a gun?"


I suspect that they believe that if they get in trouble, they'll just be able to explain their rationale to the cop/lawyer/judge and everything will be okay once they realize he's not a "bad guy".
 
Why would someone put another person in that position?
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Many folks believe they are above the law or that the law does not pertain to them. Always amazes me the amount of folks that suggest to others folks on internet forums to do illegal acts, i.e. such as S.S.S. the neighbor's dog or to "bend" hunting regs. Just be glad they aren't your neighbor.........
 
Why do some sellers state: "Make sure your FFL accepts shipments from non-FFL's"?

Is that legal or not?
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Yes, it's legal for "joe citizen" to ship a gun to an FFL. For instance, if I sold a handgun to an out-of-state buyer, I'd have to mail it to an FFL in the buyer's state so they could then transfer the gun to him.

I guess some FFLs don't like accepting shipments from shippers who aren't FFLs themselves, though.
 
You need a lot more information when receiving something from and individual, and usually they end up leaving something you need out. That is why some FFL holders don't like to get stuff from non ffl holders.
 
"The guy refused to sell because my wife asked to see it first."

That nearly happened to me. A few years before my father decided to move to assisted living, I spotted a S&W 647 .17 HMR in the showcase and asked to see it. We were shopping because he was 80 and looking for something with less kick than his favorite Python and less weight than a Model 17 with 8 3/8" barrel and 2x scope.

It look okay, other than being stainless and having an 8" barrel, so I called him over. He liked it. We said we'd take it and the salesman put the paperwork on the counter in front of my father. My father calmly slid it over to me. I protested and cited the regs. He knew, he used to be a state trooper.

He smiled, pulled out one of his checkbooks and said, "Your name is on the account, too." :)

I hate forms. He got me on that one.

John
 
Somehow he rationalized that since his felonies were "just for DUI's" that he should be able to buy a gun.
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I have lifelong injuries from a guy who was guilty of "just a DUI." Regardless of his intent, the result was the same as if he'd intentionally rammed me.

Why do some sellers state: "Make sure your FFL accepts shipments from non-FFL's"?
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It's legal, but as Scott pointed out, it's often a real hassle. The FFL has to log the gun into his books, and that's impossible when the only sender information is a hastily-scrawled and illegible return address on the box. Guns sent by individuals are often poorly packaged, resulting in damage claims that the FFL is usually expected to file.

The guy refused to sell because my wife asked to see it first
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I may have generated some confusion here. There's a difference between John and Barbara getting a gun for the house. Maybe Barbara's buying the gun as a gift for John. That's fine, as long as the person paying is the one filling out the form.

That is, unless their actions or statements lead me to believe that John's not legally entitled to own the firearm. Let's say John comes in, looks at the gun, asks if there's "a way around the paperwork." I say no, so he tells his wife to buy the gun.

No beuno, John.
 
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