why do americans hate communists?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Henry Bowman:
Great topic, it's interesting that some of the definitions of communism literally discribe the USA. Law Dog mentioned that the USSR was our enemy?? How so, we have gave them billions in cash, free wheat and corn as well as the technology they use today. Hell Ford even built their truck plant with our money so they could go kill Afganies. It's all a little too Orwellian ain't it? Our "enemys" have sold us tons of AKs yet they're supposed to be banned since 94? Both countries have favored nation status and free loans from the world bankers. BTW Law Dog, which country nuked a city of civilians? The USA created the cold war and brainwashed the masses. We still have the most powerful military on the planet but we use it to control fuel prices? Orwells novel 1984 seems to have been the "plan" eh? henry[/quote]

I'll remind you, Henry, that LawDog correctly indicated that the former Soviets chose to be enemies with the US, and maintained a perpetual state of "revolution" in an attempt to spread communism across the world.

Yes, the United States dropped the only atomic weapons ever used in warfare. But, to that I say, so what?

What, on the surface, makes atomic weapons so much more horrible than, say, conventional fragmentation bombs or fire bombs?

What makes US actions so much more horrible than Japanese actions in China in the 1930s or the Philippines in the 1940s?

What makes US actions so much more horrible than Nazi extermination of the Jews or their wanton killing of millions of Communists in the occupied USSR, or even their bombings of places such as Guernica, Rotterdam, or London?

There's only one absolute. And that is that absolutely no nation can claim a higher moral ground.

As for the US creating the Cold War, now that's a pretty good joke. US policies and actions certainly didn't stop the creation of the Cold War, but the Soviets policy of exporting Communism out of the barrel of a gun may have had just a teeny, tiny amount to do with it.

I'm not certain what your overall point is, quite frankly.



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Bad Medicine,

What you're describing as "true communism" actually came closest to working in the utopian society communities that existed in the United States from the late 1700s to the early 1900s.

Included were places such as Oneida, Amana, (both now known as lines of consumer products, Oneida mostly flatware and Amana appliances), Father George Rapp's Harmony Village in Pennsylvania, and the various Shaker communities.

These societies were the most successful example of self-imposed communist ideals in the world, and many of them worked for a long time.

One great difference between them and what we view as political communism (instead of social communism communities) is the central role that religion played in daily life.

In a political communism environment, belief in a greater power is replaced by belief in the greater state.

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A few reading suggestions:

"Witness" - Whittaker Chambers

"Radical Son" - David Horowitz

"The Black Book of Commuinism: Crimes, Terror, Repression" - Stephane Courtois

"America's Thirty Years War: Who is Winning?" - Balint Vazsonyi

Conkill, no other ideology has ever so finely tuned the art of killing the human soul than the one you speak of. It is the epitomy of the evil man can do. Nothing so vile has ever been hoisted upon humans.

Many things in life can be tolerated, but this is not one of them.

Regards
 
" why do americans hate communists? "
because I , well at least until next Tuesday, can. After that who knows? We may end up hating ourselves. Vote and hope you don't find out for sure.
 
A hundred million dead.

Roughly half the world's population mired in unnecessary poverty.

Oppressive tyranny.

Constant efforts at subversion.

Hey, what's not to hate?

As for communism being a noble idea that just didn't work out, HA! Nothing noble about the idea at all, in my opinion. Completely contrary to human nature from the very beginning, as a political movement it was NEVER anything but a mask for tyranny, and known as such to most of it's most fervent advocates such as the late, roasting in Hell Gus Hall.

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Ditto what a lot of you said about the flaws of the system.

A big problem and danger of Communism is that true socialistic theory admits that the system can only 'work' the way they envision if the whole world submits to the system. So, the goal is not a contained socialist society, but world subjugation in order to promulgate the perfect society. Any laissez-faire capitalist enclave would ruin the plan. Capitalism, on the other hand works better the more people participate, but still works pretty good when 1 country on a whole continent believes in it, surrounded by totalitarian states. It's not an all-or-nothing system, like Communism is.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by conkill:
ok so this may sound like a dumb question, but why do we not like communists? i understand that they believe different from the american way of thinking but why is that so wrong? is it because we are so egocentric we cannot accept another way of life or is it that there is more to it than that? personally i love the US don't get me wrong, and i would not like to live undercommunism, but if thats the way people want to be then why do we frown on them?[/quote]

Because of individual and property rights.
 
What gets me is that communism/the cold war is more or less a settled issue, except in Asia, and there it really isn't a "communism" issue - I suspect that the countries in question would be a threat regardless of their politicoeconomic system. So when we discuss 2nd amendment rights, etc., and then breeze into cold war stuff, we're seen by fence sitters as rather scary dinosaurs...

FWIW, I think the greatest danger today lies in "terrorist" organizations. As soon as we learn who did a particular bombing, and locate them, we should tell the country at hand to hand 'em over, or else we'll eliminate 'em from afar. After they don't hand 'em over, drop a nuke on top of the terrorists, and say, "Oops - hey, we gave you a chance. Would you like some more?"
 
I'm not sure why Americans hate communism, because many share at least some basic principles. One, it's okay to take wealth from those evil, rich producers and give it to those who want it. Two, it's okay for the government to imprison people for non-violent, consentual crimes. Three, it's okay to spy on your own people for their own good, as long as you have a "good" reason (the children, terrorists, drug kingpins, tax evaders, etc.).

Wake up, people! Just because we have had a tradition of freedom in the past is no guarantee that we'll have freedom in the future. We won't get to tyranny all at once, such as through a revolution, we will get there bit by bit, all the while believing that we're still free.

Thank you, and goodnight.
DAL

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conkill:

Read the following two books:

Aleksandr Isaevich Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"

Dith Pran, "Children of Cambodia's Killing Fields : Memoirs by Survivors"

Here's an excerpt from the latter:

"There was a man who was friends with a woman, and they had a friendly chat under a tree," one woman writes. "Pol Pot saw them and accused them of having an affair... Pol Pot tied them up on a cross and then told everyone to watch the couple being questioned and hit. The lady was pregnant and was hit until she lost the baby and died. The man was also beaten to death."

Remember the Berlin Wall? It was built by the USSR, with minefields and machine gun towers. It was built to keep people in. Things were bad enough in East Germany that hundreds of people risked their lives in the minefields, running past the machine gun towers, to get to freedom.

People still risk their lives in homebuilt rafts to flee from that workers' paradise called Cuba.

The USSR lost more than 20 million people in World War II. But the thing is, Stalin killed more Soviet citizens than that.

Please read some history. You'll find that communist regimes, from Mao, to Stalin, to Castro, to Pol Pot, have committed the most unspeakable crimes.

Then you'll understand exactly why I hate communism.

M1911
 
I hate communism exactly because it is the complete antithesis of what our Founding Fathers believed and what I believe about individuality, responsibility, reeping what you sow, taking from the producers to keep the lazy around etc.. I don't think most Americans know much about the founding of this nation. As DAL pointed out above, they think it's o.k. to do some of those same things the commies did.

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I have never met a commie who wanted to work on the people's pig farm. They always want to be in charge.

Americans like freedom, or some of us still do. Communism takes freedom away.

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It seems rather simple to me, when you look at every country where communism has taken hold, people always die and in large numbers. Look at all the people Stalin killed, which kind of pales in comparison to what Hitler did to the jews. Also many millions were killed in China during the cultural revolution. Another example is Cambodia and Pol Pot,several more million killed. Yet another example is North Korea, how many million have died there in the last 50 years.
When you look at the examples of where communism takes hold you will see the abject failure of this system. If you disagree with those in power they simply have you killed. Communism has to be the greatest scourge in the 20th century.
 
Remember the Berlin wall?
The East Germans/Russians built it to keep all the West Germans out of their paradise.
Yeah.....right!

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LAWDOG--Hes got some good points their the US Federal government still sends billions to what I still see as commnunist Russia who laughs at the words civil rights.
Our congress 'elected represenatives' just voted to send about 20 billion in trade to communist china the country that feels that
free religion is a criminal offense,children are cannon fodder and colleage students are tank tracks to be driven on.
Well get around 2 billion out of that trade deal.
Our so called land of the free does little in my opinoin to distinguish itself from these gianst civillian/human rights oppression.
Our current president makes the closest communist dictater we know out to be a hero
and our press make him into a savior while returning a young boy to servitude.
Was it mostly american born citiznes who protested that one no it was cuba/communist born residents who protested it or atleast thats mostly what I saw on the tube.
Our troops are sent to keep peace in lands that dont want them and do so with an M-16
if except police state control by our troops in foreign lands why not our own neighborhoods.
How can we hate communism when we support it so much?
As usual I realize Im going against the grain here but its hard to keep quiet about what I see so clearly in front of me.

Yes the question should be 'How much more so
should we be hating communism/socialism and its supporters.'
But then that would include so many republicans in office wouldnt it.
Oh well back to the drawing board.

No matter who you vote for a government that wants more power and more control 'to save the children' always gets elected.

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We have people with guns at our borders to keep people out.

Communist countries have people with guns at their borders to keep people in.

Which system do you think is better?
 
Communism is the ultimate abusive relationship. You can't ask for outside help and would get shot if you ever try to leave.
 
Oh it might have something to do with their threats to crush America. Or it might have something to do with those 50 million dead people that Stalin and Mao killed for their wrongful thoughts. I'm sure there are other reasons like the Gulags, etc. but those are enough for me.

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