Why are young men so stupid????

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Every time I go to my favorite ranges in my area it seems there are one or more young men with thier girl friends showing how big and strong and manly they are to thier girl friends by shooting S&W X frames, Taurus Raging Bulls, and Ruger Super Redhawk in monster calibers like 500 mag, 454's and such. And then almost forcing these ladies to shoot these monsters.

The other day I was shooting my Winchester Trapper 44 Mag, Ruger Dearfield, and my Taurus 44 Trapper with some pretty heafty loads. The couple next to me was shooting what appeard to me was a Ruger Super Redhawk in 454 Cassuels. Whatched him insist that she should shoot the Ruger. I started to shoot my little pop guns, minding my own business. After a few minutes I feel a tap on my shoulder and it was the girl from the next lanes. She says that she would like to shoot my Dearfield carbine. So I put a fresh mag in the carbine and coached her though shooting it. She liked it and did fairly well for the first time. She saw my Tracker and said that "it was a lot smaller than her boy friend's. What kind of bullets it shoots" and quickly ask to try it too. She kept the rounds on the paper at least. She went back to her BF in the next lane said something to him and left him standing with a confused and angry look on his face. He asked what I was shooting, told him 44 Mags. Few minutes later she comes back with a range gun she has rented and she showed me, I told her good choice (a Taurus 357 4 inch and some 38 spl+P ammo) she went to her new lane by herself and started by asking me show her how to shoot it after showing her she went on to shoot it with a satified look on her face. The BF still confused cought me as I left and asked me what I did? Told him and left him standing confused. What I told him was I showed her that you do not have to shoot the big-boy hunting guns and to find a 22or a 38 and that she would enjoy shooting more.

I guess Testerone is a powerful, dangerous, and confussing drug for young men.

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J.Budd
 
Like the old saying, it's a shame that youth is wasted on the young. Handing a hand cannon to a lady unaware of what it could do to her is one of my pet peeves. I don't know why these young idiots think it's funny to watch their wives or girlfriends hurt themselves. Is it to show off? Is it to pump their ego that they're tougher than a hundred pound girl? Perhaps, all it tells me is how limited their intellect is. I suppose shooting attracts a higher ratio of chest thumping macho types.

Check back in with the girl from the range in six months and she'll be shooting better than that dummy she's dating. Without all the machismo and stupidity.
 
One would think after gaining X years of wisdom, you would know better than to stereotype all young men. I'm a young man who does not fit your version of how young men are, and if you'd care to look around, you would find others like me. Just so you know, you are supposed to know better and I am the one supposed to indulge in foolish stereotypes, except you did it and I (a young guy) know better. Why would that be?

Aside from all that, you told someone who rented a Taurus 357 "good choice" ? She has no experience in firearms, and you think shooting 38 + P is a wise choice? Her first experience with a revolver should be with some piece of crap revolver? Perhaps if I was there, a young stupid male with too much testosterone, I could have explained simple gun concepts to all 3 of you.
 
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Yep, to bad we see this all the time, I'm sure we all did stupid things when we were younger but now people like to video them and post them on the internet for all to see.:rolleyes:
 
Its not a very nice thing to do to someone shoving something like that in their face expecting to get a laugh out of it, but i notice more and more females these days have a certain "machismo" of their own. They are taught now, and they believe that they can do anything, ( the truth is some can do more than others). Still one does not have to shoot howitzers to enjoy their day at the range. If you check youtube there are video channels there by young, pretty girls advertising their love for shooting 500 s&w ( i believe one does so one handed).
 
The bad part about it is, its not just younger people I've seen do it. Now, I don't consider myself to be a youngin experience wise (started at age 6, just turned 29), but rather I would say I prefer common sense. There comes a certain level of experience and knowledge. Ask many of those shooters that rent those big bores have less than 2 years of experience. Anybody with a brain between their ears would realize that having a rookie shooter handle those big bores would realize that its a bad idea.
 
Winchester, I think you are taking it too personally. The question OP stated is rhetorical. He knows the answer to it, just sharing his experience.
Young men (BTW I consider myself young) show off in front of girls. This guy wanted her shoot his .44 Mag, so she feels the power and recoil and appreciate how strong and cool her man is. I bet he was hardly hitting the target, but it doesn't matter :D

The bottom line is that the guy did not take the girl to the range to teach her to shoot. He took her to show off. And I think OP ruined it for him. ;)
 
Aside from all that, you told someone who rented a Taurus 357 "good choice" ? She has no experience in firearms, and you think shooting 38 + P is a wise choice? Her first experience with a revolver should be with some piece of crap revolver? Perhaps if I was there, a young stupid male with too much testosterone, I could have explained simple gun concepts to all 3 of you.
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Your opinion of Taurus revolvers is not universal. I'd consider a 4" Taurus 357 to be a good choice, for a rental gun. My wife had no trouble with one for her first handgun shooting experience. I promise it would be a lot better choice than a "492 kickenboomer." It's a K-frame sized gun, and even with P+ 38 ammo should have releativly light recoil. The only reason I wouldn't recoment P+ is it's more expensive than necessary, but since she had apparently already purchased it, it's not that big a deal.

Winchester, I think you are taking it too personally.
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No kidding. Get the knot out of your knickers. ;)
 
Originally posted by budd:I guess Testerone is a powerful, dangerous, and confussing drug for young men.
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I'm thinkin' you mean Testosterone.....and it's a confusing drug for men in general. Why young men react more obviously to it than us old farts has to do with biology. I agree tho, that those that need to prove their manhood by making an example of the weaker sex have a long ways to go in life. More women than not have been turned off to the shooting sports because of idiot boyfriends that feel the need to have a laugh at their woman's expense. My experience has been with females at the range is most are better shots than those "macho" young men.
 
I think some people would react similarly if someone posted "why are old men crotchity old farts that act like they know everything?" It shuts down good communication with people from that group. There are plenty of fine young shooters, but you are more apt to remember the bad ones. Its rude to call young people stupid because of what some young people do.
 
("why are old men crotchity old farts that act like they know everything?" )

Because we do..you young whippersnapper !! lol
 
Shooting -v- Driving Lessons

Would you teach a new driver in a 500HP Mustang or a 1993 Volvo 240?
The same logic should be used teaching a new shooter. Build up knowledge before applying more power.
Just the opinion of mine.
 
We were next to a guy having his date (early 20s woman and first time shooter) shoot 357s from an old S&W, she was terrified of the gun and could not even hit the paper. So he put 3 in the gun and had her fire until it surprised her. Which terrified her even more.

I asked her if she wanted to shoot on of our 22s she said "you would have to ask him" he glared at me like I was bothering them.

I heard him tell someone how he lent the gun to his step father and "he was so stupid he shot 38s through it and almost ruined the gun" because "38s in a 357 will harm the barrel and destroy it" :rolleyes:
 
"why are old men crotchity old farts that act like they know everything?"
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I think most old men would say it's because they ARE crotchety and have been around the block a time or two. It's hard to learn anything from a 20yr old and for good reason.


Would you teach a new driver in a 500HP Mustang or a 1993 Volvo 240?
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`Tis a good analogy.
 
I think they want to impress the ladies with their machismo. It would be better to bring a 22 and get them to hit the target first. Then transition to a 38 (if the bullets are affordable). Let them have a good time and make them enthusiastic about going out together again. Giving them a hand cannon can make them gun shy.
 
+10 GrantD!

+10 GrantD!

Unfortunately some of the more "prolific testerone generators" as a high school teacher used as a reference, don't realize the fairer sex may not appreciate the same thing young wippersnappers do.
 
"One would think after gaining X years of wisdom, you would know better than to stereotype all young men. I'm a young man who does not fit your version of how young men are, and if you'd care to look around, you would find others like me. Just so you know, you are supposed to know better and I am supposed to indulge in foolish stereotypes, except you did it and I (a young guy) know better. Why would that be?

Aside from all that, you told someone who rented a Taurus 357 "good choice" ? She has no experience in firearms, and you think shooting 38 + P is a wise choice? Her first experience with a revolver should be with some piece of crap revolver? Perhaps if I was there, a young stupid male with too much testosterone, I could have explained simple gun concepts to all 3 of you."

Lighten up. Nobody accused you of anything. The problem as I see it is it's usually some young dude showing off to his girl friend. Doesn't mean all do it but the usual suspects are young dudes.
The club I belong to has a no fast draw policy. Oldest club member on range is considered the range mster. I've been a member since 1979 so usually it's me. Can make for some hairy situtaions withsome macho dudes. One guy was showing hid girl friend what a fast draw eggsurt he was, whipping out his 9MM and dumping a full 15 into the target. Holes all over the paper and the target frame which will cost him a dollar a hole. I had to go over and have a talk with him and he was very belligerent. We looked at his target, told him about what the holes would cost and as we were walking back to the line he really got nasty. I'd bben shooting my Colt Combat Commander .45 ACP and it was placed at my back in what is called "Mexican carry". I drew it, turned around and snapped of two quick shots and told him to check his target. There were two holes in the middle of the head on that target that were not 9MM in size. His eyes got bigger than those holes and I politely asked him to either refrain from threats or back them up. His lady friend was sure chewing him out as they packed up and left the range. I'll admit I was a bit lucky on those two shots but I made my point. I could give more "war" stories about idiots at the range but they're not germane to the thresd and would be a hijacking.
Paul B.
 
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