Why a single action

Why a Single Action?

^^^^^ This Guy Above Me ^^^^

I've been thinking about a range/fun revolver to compliment my carry SP101. All those darn nice SA pictures that evil man posts, has me wanting one badly now, lol
 
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FWIW, I select my CF hunting revolvers by the chambering & intended use, rather than action type - since I typically fire whatever in SA mode @ game, anyway.
(I usually handgun hunt from a stand @ bowhunting distances - YMMV)

While I started hunting with SA revolvers 45 years ago, I soon changed over to DA revolvers (S&W M29, Ruger SRH), which IMO have a decidedly lighter hammer fall in SA mode than a SA-only revolver (less disruption to aim led to better accuracy).



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Because I like 'em.

I have more double action revolvers than single action, but the occasions I am outdoors (private property) and can open carry, a single action just feels right. Call it cool factor, cowboy wannabe, whatever. Makes no difference to me. While I could carry around my Highway Patrolman or 1911, in my mind woods gun=single action in .45 Colt. YMMV. No real concrete or quantifiable reasoning behind it, just my preference. For me.

So there.:D
 
I have a DA Super Redhawk in .44 Mag that I've never fired in DA mode, as: a) it has a scope and b) it's a .44 Mag and in the time it takes to get it back on target through the scope, I can cock it again.

I would of been just as well served with an SA Blackhawk, but preferred the grips of the Super Redhawk.

It's just personal preference. 99% of the time, when you're choosing between a SA or DA revolver, it's going to be for hunting or plinking, not self-defense, where the DA would be more useful.
 
The last revolver I picked up was a single action simply because I got a good deal on it. I bought it to use as a hunting sidearm and possibly to hunt deer with. Action type wasn't really important to me.

If I were going to use a revolver for self defense I would probably go with a DA, faster to shoot and faster to reload.
 
For me, it's a matter of affordability and weight.

For .44 Mag, it essentially came down to Ruger and three things:
1. 48 oz (Super Blackhawk) versus 54 oz (Redhawk/Super Redhawk).
2. $300+ price difference.
3. I don't shoot at running animals. The only time you need double-action is if you're in a massive hurry ... a.k.a. running animals.

For .327 Federal, I happen to own both... so it just depends on my mood - Blackhawk or GP100. But shots on animals are only taken single-action. The double-action option is superfluous.
 
I have to admit that a S&W double action's single action pull (sensitivity), right out of the box, is outstanding.

Older Smith's with steel trigger parts - yes. New Smiths with MIM trigger parts - NO. The new Smiths with MIM trigger parts are awful out of the box. The last two I purchased needed an immediate trip to the gunsmith to get both the DA and SA useable - and you cannot finely tune the trigger mechanism anymore.

The M625 had an 11lb DA pull and an 8lb SA pull. Stinky. The X-Frame DA was off the charts. It maxed out my trigger pull gauge at over 14lbs. The SA was a finger bending 10 lbs. It came back from the gunsmith with a 9.5lb DA pull and a 6.5 lb SA pull - and the smith apologized that was the best he could do and get the ammunition to ignite reliably.

Contrast that to a 1980 M629 that I picked up which had a factory trigger that was better than the new guns AFTER their trip to the gunsmith. I have old Smith DA guns with 3lb SA and 5lb DA pulls after a trip to the gunsmith that have worked reliably for 35 years. The guns with the steel trigger parts could be tuned anyway I want it.

At this point, with new revolvers, you can do more with a Ruger DA trigger than you can with a Smith.
 
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3. I don't shoot at running animals. The only time you need double-action is if you're in a massive hurry ... a.k.a. running animals.
Or, when they are standing still and you have practiced so much shooting in double-action mode that you are proficient at it. Nevertheless, what usually happens is people buy a double-action and use it almost exclusively as a single-action, never learning to use effectively.
 
Older Smith's with steel trigger parts - yes. New Smiths with MIM trigger parts - NO. The new Smiths with MIM trigger parts are awful out of the box. The last two I purchased needed an immediate trip to the gunsmith to get both the DA and SA useable - and you cannot finely tune the trigger mechanism anymore.
How would that be any different than a new, out of the box single-action with MIM trigger parts?
 
The frame of a Single Action is inherantly stronger than that of a double action revolver, there being no cut out for the crane nor side plate. Moot point, to be sure, but true, none the less.
Being moot, would it be a reason to purchase a single-action over a double-action?

Also, I had a S&W M58 that had to be retired with excessive end shake. Which, if I am not mistaken, was not caused by the cut outs in the frame, but from the hammering of recoil. If that is the most frequent failure mode, then would not a single-action, despite its stronger frame, end up the same way (end-shake disease), despite its superior strength?
 
I have a lot of single actions, & a lot of double actions, I have revolvers of both types that have worked well as hunting revolvers... that said... 90% of the time I'm handgun hunting, I'm using a Thompson Contender single shot...
 
Nevertheless, what usually happens is people buy a double-action and use it almost exclusively as a single-action, never learning to use effectively.

I think I know what you mean, but I disagree with the wording of the statement. Being able to shoot it well in both single action, and double action is the most efficient way to fully use a DA revolver. Shooting it SA might not be as efficient, but it is certainly effective.

When I was growing up, my Dad had half a dozen handguns. More than anyone else in our little town. Friend up the road had two, a much more common situation in our locality. So, I was in fat city, in that regard.

Dad, however, did not own a single action revolver. He didn't care for the grip shape. I got to learn on DA revolvers (shot almost exclusively SA), and autopistols. With two exceptions. Mom had a Ruger Super Bearcat. This was a neat gun, and lots of fun, but it was a little too small for me by the time I reached teenage years. Mom was a small woman (size 3.5 ring) and it fitted her perfectly.

My other experience with a single action was our friend up the road who had a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 Mag. Yes, I watched cowboy shows and played as a kid, but I never "fell for" the single action because it was the cowboy gun. For me, it was just another kind of revolver, nice, but nothing special.

A couple years after finishing my world tour with Uncle Sam, I was in a position to get a handgun of my own. I got a .45 auto. One of the early Sig P220s, imported by Browning. Sweet gun, still have it.

A couple years after that, I found a Ruger new model Blackhawk convertible, in .45 caliber (7.5" barrel). At the time, I though, this is neat, I can plink with my .45 auto ammo, and not have to dig in the weeds to find my brass to reload!

I made one small mistake. On my way home with the gun, I figured I might as well have some ammo for its "other" caliber, so I stopped and got a box of Winchester .45 Colt. My "mistake" was shooting some of that ammo, first.

WOW! OH MY Goodness! IT was FUN!!!!!! The roar, the muzzle flip, cranking back the hammer for the next shot! It was FREAKING GREAT!!!!:D
I was hooked! on both the .45 Colt, and the Ruger Blackhawk. In a bit over 30 years that I have had that gun, I have shot, maybe 300 rnds of .45ACP through it. Several thousand .45 Colt loads have gone downrange though, from mild to wild.

The single action revolver, particularly the modern designs like the new model Ruger are efficient and effective firearms, and particularly in the larger calibers are smaller and lighter (slightly) than DA revolvers, even with the same barrel lengths.

The feel of the grip is completely different. The balance is different. The whole cowboy/nostalgia thing for the SA is lost on me, but its a BIG thing for a lot of people. No, they aren't as efficient for combat as more modern style guns. And most consider them not as good for personal defense as a DA gun (note I make a distinction between defense and combat). But some still use them for that, and they are every bit as good today as they were in the 1870s, and some models are mechanically better.

I got involved in shooting in an era when outside of those with police training, and a handful of experts, virtually everyone I knew or met considered the DA feature of a DA revolver to be an "emergency use only" option.

Things, particularly general opinion have changed a lot since then, but some things are still the same. Those with a desire can, and do master DA shooting. Those without, will shoot their DA guns SA, 99% of the time.

I don't, personally, care for the Colt Single Action revolver. I know they are the Holy Grail for a lot of SA shooters, but not for me. After over 30 years of using Ruger Blackhawks (new model) in various versions, the Colt and its clones seems small, frail, and weak to me. I know they aren't, but the impression persists. After decades using S&W N frames, I feel the same way about K frames, too!:D It a personal thing.
 
I don't think Super Redhawks or X-frames are known for fragility.

I think it's really just a matter of preference, these days.

One thing I have not seen specifically mentioned is that the plow handle type grips on SA guns can be allowed to roll up in the hand, taking some edge off the recoil of stouter loads. I never did get that technique down, but I know shooters who have.
 
dahermit said:Being moot, would it be a reason to purchase a single-action over a double-action?

Also, I had a S&W M58 that had to be retired with excessive end shake. Which, if I am not mistaken, was not caused by the cut outs in the frame, but from the hammering of recoil. If that is the most frequent failure mode, then would not a single-action, despite its stronger frame, end up the same way (end-shake disease), despite its superior strength?


Let me see if I can explain this: The frame of a Single action is theroritically stronger that a DA revovler due to the lack of frame cut outs, Ruger DA revolvers excepted. However, the engineering and designers of these guns have compensated for that. There is no practical reason to choose one over the other based on frame strength.

Cylinder shake itself is not a fault of the frame, but the nature of the design. However, there is no need to retire a revolver because of endshake, as that can be remedied fairly easily by a good gunsmith. I've never had a revolver develope excessive endshake, though I did buy one in that condition. It was a Single Action Hy Hunter .357 Magnum, which has a removeable cylinder bushing. I corrected this by ordering a replacement part from Numrich and fitting it myself. Bushings and/or spacers are available to correct endshake.

The choice of revovler just boils down to personal preference.

Bob Wright
 
Me:
Nevertheless, what usually happens is people buy a double-action and use it almost exclusively as a single-action, never learning to use effectively.
You:
I think I know what you mean, but I disagree with the wording of the statement. Being able to shoot it well in both single action, and double action is the most efficient way to fully use a DA revolver. Shooting it SA might not be as efficient, but it is certainly effective.

To clarify:
...use it almost exclusively as a single-action, never learning to use the double-action feature effectively...
 
well please dont look at cost. Most people are not able to find that used sw mountain gun that you did last for 300.

90% of the people have to pay MSRP price, even for used guns. SO if im going to have to pay the same price for a gun, even if its used. You can purchase a single action revolver brand new from the factory at less cost then you can a da/sa from the factory.

i would much rather spend 500 on a saa in 45lc, 44 special, 44-40, or 44 mag then have to spend 9-1000 on the same calibers in a da/sa revolver.
that 4-500 dollar difference before shipping, taxes, transfer fees, means you get to BUY ammunition. And not have someting you cant use.
 
I picked up my used but very good DA .44 revolvers for around $600; not sure where you are getting $1000...
 
I picked up my used but very good DA .44 revolvers for around $600; not sure where you are getting $1000...
A good starting point, would be to consider that your listed places of residence are 600 miles apart.

It has been shown on these forums, thousands of times, that different parts of the country have dramatically different firearms economies.
 
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