Who will stand up for gun rights when the SHTF?

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Deadin, you may be near sighted in this case my friend. May I suggest contacts or glasses?

I could have swore many folks said the same thing about colonists fighting England
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Taking the chance I won't be charged with sedition, all I can say is if you truly feel that armed revolution is the only answer, Go for it. Maybe the people will rally behind you. Then again maybe they will consider you to be just what they were afraid of in the first place. A bunch of radicals.
One thing for sure, it will get the governments attention. You just may not care for the outcome.
Most likely therre will be a large reduction in the ranks of the radicals (which might not be bad thing) and the rest of us will be left to seek remedies in a less violent and contentious manner.
In truth, without the far, far right, the left might be a little easier to get along with. There’s something about those that advocate no gun restrictions whatsoever, no age limits, allowing felons to carry because they have “paid their debt to society”, carry whatever, anywhere, for any reason, etc. Especially those that seem to be saying that if I don’t agree with them and help them get their way, they’re going to start “shooting from the rooftops” that even makes me a little nervous.
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I certainly don't advocate the voting from rooftops method. It's a horrible thing to have to do, lets ALL hope it never comes to that. But rest assured, if it were to happen(hypothetically speaking) it would be very bloody. Anf for both sides. Let's pray we never have to see this.
 
Armed rebellion guys, Who are you going to eliminate? The cop doing his job collecting our guns? Wait he's my cousin maybe your brother.....what now. Okay get the ATF guys........wait they are all ordinary Americans charged with the job of enforcing gun laws and many are members of this board all are sons,fathers, uncles, friends to you and I. My point is who are we to punish for the passage of anti second amendment laws?

I think the way to go is organized opposition thru the NRA and other groups combined with voting pro gun candidates and voicing my opinion.

I posted a thread urging that members begin to purchase hi capacity mags and black rifles (if they wanted them in the future) a few weeks ago. It was met by many a member claiming that I was over reacting. To them I sayI told you so!! followed by a hurry up you are weeks behind me LOL.
 
I'm sure some will say that any type of violent defense against the gun-grabbers will be suicide. I strongly Disagree. Examples to cite would be Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Vietnam War. Those are three countries that have people that are used to using 3rd world weapons to achieve world class results. Getting organized would be the hardest part.
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Isn't there anything worth fighting for to you? The lay down and die attitude you present us with is pathetic.
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Perhaps the Turner Diaries would enlighten you in some aspects as to what our Gov't is becoming
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BTW, the Turner Diaries advocate bloody revolution 'to set things right’.


I could have swore many folks said the same thing about colonists fighting England....
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Your words, not mine. This sure sounds like a call for armed overthrow the government to me…..
 
No, I speak in a hypothetical sense, my friend. I work for the Gov't, so it would be counter productive. What I DO advocate, is that people stand ready and willing to fight, should the situation dictate that. Violence may be appropriate when ALL OTHER PEACEFUL means have failed. If your not willing to fight for your God given rights, then you won't have them for very long. Don't debate this with me. Debate it with the History books.

I cite the Turner Diaries as meerly interesting reading, albeit racist bigotry Horse poo poo:barf: . It offers a SHTF scenario, nothing more, nothing less. I believe Andrew Macdonald had the 2A parts of that book down pat. He saw the future, in that respect. The racism, anti-semitism, and white power attitude, is offensive to me, and many others. I'd suggest that you dismiss those sections for what they are, pure garbage.

Disamrament is truly the path to slavery.Once again don't debate the fact. Look at history. Its got a funny way of repeating itself.

I noticed you quoted my words. Good call, I'm not sure how to do that just yet! haha. ok. But, where in my post does it say we need to fight the Gov't? Find me one post that says some to the effect of " We need to start killing our countrymen". You aren't going to my friend. Because thats not what I want to happen. Ever. This country is amazing, and so are the people, which would explain my military service. I simply state that most people have a fit when it comes to "gun bans" from the left, but almost NONE are willing to fight'em for it.


Do you have a gun for home defense deadin? If you do,I bet you have it to defend your life, your family and your property with. Because someone is endangering your life, your families lives and stealing your things, right? Your willing to fight then is my guess.

The 2A is there to protect the Commoner, so to speak, from the gov't, invading forces, aliens, zombies, etc. etc. It gives you the right to bear arms so that you may protect your life, your families lives, and your possesions. What I'm trying to get at, is the fighting for the 2A is like defending your home. On a much larger scale. I'm not sure If I'm the only one who understands that.... Not sure I conveyed my analogy as clear as possible...
 
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Golly, I wish I had as much wisdom when I had been in the Navy for, what 2 years. Even after 20 years on active duty and another 29 in the real world I apparently still can't see the light. Let's not hawk and spit in some macho fantasy based on what we've read in the "Turner Diaries" or from gun boards.
Give it a few years and actually try some of the methods you seem to be ready to write off as useless and a waste of time.

If you want to know why I’m jerking your chain, it’s because I’m really getting tired of the “us or them” attitude that is so prevalent on the boards.
It seems to be “if you aren’t for us 100% then you’re against us”. There is no room for anything in the middle from the zealots. It’s black or white, all or nothing, give us our way or we will revolt. Actually I don’t see much difference between the rabid pro-gun movement and the rabid anti-gun movement other than their final goals. The fringe elements of both camps scare the crap out of me. I really wouldn’t want to live in either world.
Under these conditions, if tomorrow I had choose either black or white, I’m not really sure of which way I would jump. I sure as hell don’t want to give up my guns, but in all conscience, I don’t think I could go for totally unrestricted gun ownership either. Unfortunately by saying I believe in some restrictions I will probably be branded as anti-gun. (or at least a Fudd). If
I can be allowed to remain pro-gun (with conditions), then the discussion becomes “What’s a reasonable restriction?” and the whole argument starts over with differing opinions. (And I’m sure some will threaten to “take to the roof tops if they don’t get their way.) It’s all beginning to look like a lose-lose situation unless we can at least get some reasonableness and compromise among ourselves.
 
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Basically the majority of Americans have a good amount of common sense. We know how to get good laws put on the books and how to remove bad ones. This has a lot to do with analyzing prospective politicians running for office. In our own voting offices or positions, national, state or whatever they need to be looked over with a fine toothed comb, now and past pros and cons.

Excuse me when I paint Kennedys, Clintons, Schumer, etc. as enemies of the people and against most people's ideas as to the future path of our nation and our peace and dignity. Those people were elected in an area much different than our own, kept there for years and years. Which indicates to us that there is a threat to our way of life from those states and the majority of voters there, and summing up, we can beat them if we carefully vote and
influence others to do the same. Forget firing on Fort Sumpter.
 
when you compromise with evil only evil can win good can only lose.
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You still don't get what I'm saying. Black/White, Good/Evil, Myway/Highway,
No middle ground, Put up or Shut up. The tyranny of the right or the tyranny of the left. Can't we have a little of both to keep things in balance?
 
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