Who wants to join my "I Hate AR15/M16s" Club?

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I think the problems with the AR15/M16 is behind the sites. If you actually take care of the weapon in the most basic ways then you will have no problem. The M16 is one of the best combat arms out there right now. WHy do you think Isreal and numerous other countries use them even when they have other choices. It is because they are not hung up on old outdated ideas. If some people had their way we would still be using the 45-70 or some other over the top calliber.

Give it up people.

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DUDE,

Source? That story sounds a bit, um, far-fetched. I cannot imagine a 5.56mm FMJ round taking somebody's head completley off.

All,

I don't own an AR, but I've shot quite a few of them. They're not bad. Very accurate, pretty good ergonomics, etc. They're great target rifles. But I've had ARs lock up on me, and I've seen it happen to others. The design of the AR, from an engineering standpoint, is totally FUBAR.

So how would you make it better?

I'd add a couple of strengthening ribs to the lower reciever, replace the gas system with the Z-M Weapons parts, add a DR200-style rotary gas regulator, and make the magazines all steel with full-length feed lips. An ambidextrous bolt latch would be nice, too.

Or I'd grab by FAL. :D

Later,
Chris



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Flaim,

Israel uses the M16 family because the US gives them to Israel for free. No other reason.

Later,
Chris

[This message has been edited by Christopher II (edited November 08, 2000).]
 
I've never had real problems with my M16A2 that weren't caused by abuse. 500rds in less than 15 minutes counts as abuse. While I would like a larger caliber, 5.56 is adequate. I have not bent any barrels in CQC in 8 years of service in the USMC. I have seen bent barrels with the A1's, and I 've seen bent barrels on M14's. It happens. The SAS uses M16A2's and M4's by choice, of course compared to the SA80, a Lorcin looks good. For average grunt use, the M14 is a bad deal. Wood stocks require too much maintainence, the GI fiberglass is nice. The 308 is too much caliber in that design for the troops we have now. There is no good way to mount an optical sight on it. All of these problems could be solved by better training. Getting away from ball powders wouldn't hurt. Of course, that's not a popular answer. Semper Fi...Ken
 
I hate the spring loaded ejector. I know for a fact that brass shavings about 1/16th of an inch can weasel their way in there under the roll pin and jam the heck out of it. Notice that pretty much every other combat gun on earth uses a fixed ejector of some kind. FAL, AK, FNC, M-96 etc.

Also with the AR you can jam the gun up in such a way that the round doesn't go all the way into the chamber, the bolt is far enough one way that the forward assist can't engage it, and far enough the other way that you can't open the gun to get the bolt out. So what do you do, you bang the stock on the ground until it bounce out.

I own a Bushmaster, I've shot it alot, and I've jammed it quite a bit. And this is from pretty informal shooting out in the boonies. I originally bought it to be my end of the world gun, but I quickly lost confidence in it. It works great about 99.9% of the time, its that other part that sucks.

I'm not selling mine, I don't believe in selling guns, but it has gone from being my main go to gun to being just another fun gun to have.

So do I hate them, no, not really. But it wouldn't be my first choice by any means.
 
Well, I guess you guys have beat around the Bush long enough. If you ain't gonna tell it like it *really* is...

Part Deux time--as in bandwidth.

:), Art
 
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