Who Still makes metal framed 9mm pistols

Venom1956 said:
Sorry man Kahrs aren't DA.
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Kahr says they're DAO. That's DA. (Of course, Glock and other striker-fired guns call their guns DA, as did S&W with their Third Gen. semi-autos, etc. Some of the newer Kel-Tecs are DA, too, but the hammer spring is partially charged by moving the slide/chambering a round.)

The OP had a buddy who wanted a metal-framed gun, and also mentioned an all-stainless gun. I got the impression that the buddy was looking for a new gun (i.e., something still being made.) If the shooting buddy wants a new, all-steel semi-auto, his options are limited. If he wants metal, that opens things up a bit.
 
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if it cant fire repeatedly without the slide reciprocating its not true DA its just marketing... just because they call it something doesn't make it true.
 
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Bart Noir said:
...the excellent 3rd gen S&W all metal guns went out of production quite some time ago. I think it was back in the late '90s.
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IIRC it was 2009 when they were finally dropped from the catalog, but they were only marketing 7-8 models to the general public by that time, most of the line having been dropped ca. 1999-2003.

I remember that a large-volume discount LGS cleared out a number of 908/908S pistols in 2009.

Again IIRC, the M5906, M3913, and M4006 were advertised on the S&W website for LE special orders until 2011, but it was disputed on the S&W forum whether any such orders were actually being received or if it was just wishful thinking. (I personally suspect it was the latter.)
 
Walt Sherrill said:
Venom1956 said:
Sorry man Kahrs aren't DA.
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Kahr says they're DAO. That's DA. (Of course, Glock and other striker-fired guns call their guns DA, as did S&W with their Third Gen. semi-autos, etc. Some of the newer Kel-Tecs are DA, too, but the hammer spring is partially charged by moving the slide/chambering a round.)
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I'm with Walt Sherrill on this one.

There have been numerous threads disputing at length whether pistols that lack true second-strike capability and must be partially cocked before the trigger will function (i.e. Kahr, S&W 3rd-gen 594x/404x/395x, Glock, etc.) are "real" DAO. IMHO this brings up a question as to what "real SA" means, as a number of DA/SA or even SAO pistols exhibit distinct rearward hammer movement before the sear trips.

Rather than disputing these points to no definite end, I simply accept that the term "double action only"—like the term "sports sedan"—has no simple, preordained, and inviolate definition. I merely accept what the maker calls it and judge the item on its own merits. :)
 
if it cant fire repeatedly without the slide reciprocating its not true DA its just marketing... just because they call it something doesn't make it true.
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If you mean that pulling the trigger causes the firing pin to strike every time, then you are probably right, but I'm pretty sure that the slide of a semi-automatic has to reciprocate every time the gun fires. Sort of the definition of a semi-auto.
 
Doesn't matter to me. I've got Kahr and actual double action pistols. I'm simply saying a Kahr doesn't function in the way a real da semi does. See sig or cz or Beretta.
After you pull the trigger that striker hits and the trigger is dead until you work the Slide. I can dry fire my da cz all day that trigger covks and drops that hammer like a double action should.

If I was a new buyer and got a Kahr under the impression it was da. And that was part of my criteria I'd be sorely disappointed.
 
The stainless 75b has one of the best cz Beavertail. I'm assuming it's the same style as the 75 Sao but I've never seen one in the wild. World's better then my 85 combat
 
Venom1956 said:
if it cant fire repeatedly without the slide reciprocating its not true DA its just marketing... just because they call it something doesn't make it true.
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Well, first of all, no semi-auto can fire repeatedly without the slide reciprocating... I think you meant say a true DA gun has a second-strike capability -- using ONLY the trigger to make the firing pin (via a hammer strike) or striker move again..

When describing the differences between the new and old "DA" guns, I've seen these newer DA systems called "modified double action" -- and I try to use that. But I think I'm fighting a losing battle. It seems that the entire firearms industry and the ATF have embraced this redefinition of what DA means -- and that means it's more than just MARKETING language at play.

Just accept it: the world is no longer flat.
 
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Yes we know reciprocates, I'm typing this on a busted phone on my break. If you want to get technical some autos dont have slides but a bolt or toggle that reciprocates

but if a round fails to go off a proper double action can hit that primer again without ay slide movement . That matters to some.

I'm just saying double actions cock and fire the hammer/striker assembly on a pistol with just a trigger pull which a Kahr cannot.
If you bought a Kahr unseen and unhandled online off just their description expecting that functionality you'd be disappointed. I felt obligated to say something. We dont know the op knowledge of firearms. At the end of the day this boards all opinions. I'm not trying to sway you guys to my side I'm just staring it isn't a da in the strictest sense.

I know what you're saying Walt totally 100% it's a partially preloaded striker just like a glock.
 
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I use partial tension when referring to striker actions like Glock.

And I like to use that or preset/partial set for hammers.

Now a pistol like the M&P, VP9, PPQ... Those are not DA in any form in my mind. They are more SA than anything. Just one with a long trigger pull.
 
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