Who is Geronimo?

Here are two more of C. S. Fly's pics.
The man on the horse next to Geronimo, is Naiche. He was the son of Cochise.
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This pic shows General Crook, second from the right, and Geronimo second from the left.
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Pretty obvious that they knew "a pistol is just for fighting your way to a rifle".....

The pistol would have been a last ditch weapon and the fighting tribes used a knife in that role.

Regards, HH
 
Mucho Thanks MJN77 to taking the time posting the photos

Many thanks for take the time to post the photos..Have always loved the workmanship in Geronimo's gun belt here is a band that is pretty run Ragged to ground and yet still time is taken for ornamentation..

IN Geronimo's case is one of those rare times in history when the actual firearms are documented and saved. I think His trapdoor in on display At West Point and the Side arm is on display in another army Museum.. Fort Ben????

Try to do that with Custers Side arms.. Or Even Billy the Kids side arms..

But Loved the link to that Historical Holsters of Old West site, I have saved that One.. I feel they will be getting some of my money..

And so not kid yourself Custer's troops had the superior weapon to the Winchester, He just needed a better Position.. Heck Look at Reno & Benteen. They Outlasted a lot longer Indian attack then Custer with the same weapons, But they did have a better Position that took advantage of the Greater range of the Springfields

Mucho thanks for the photos....
 
And so not kid yourself Custer's troops had the superior weapon to the Winchester, He just needed a better Position.. Heck Look at Reno & Benteen. They Outlasted a lot longer Indian attack then Custer with the same weapons, But they did have a better Position that took advantage of the Greater range of the Springfields
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That is the point. At a distance, the .45-70 springfields were the better rifle. More range, and killing power. But at close range,(less then 150 yards) such as the fight with Custer's group (described as a "running gunfight) and with Reno in the river bottom, and his retreat to the bluffs, the rapid, almost point blank (and in some cases just a few feet) firepower of the repeating rifles (Henry, Winchester, Spencer) were much more effective than the single shot carbines of the 7th cavalry. The Henry and 1866 Winchester rifle held 16 rounds, the 1866 carbine held 12. The 1873 Winchester rifle held 13 , the carbine 10. The only reason Reno's command survived is because Reno was smart (or panicked, depending on source) enough to retreat up to the top of the bluff on the other side of the river. If he had stayed in the timber were he took cover after the failed charge into the villiage, he would've been surrounded and wiped out, as was Custer. The 1873 Springfield carbine/rifle was meant to be used to engage the enemy at long range, not from ten feet. But this is way off topic.
 
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I thought some of you might like to see this picture. I found it interesting because they wear cartridge belts but no holsters to carry pistols. Perhaps this is an insight into their mentality or lifestyle rather than what they can get their hands on. Yes it's the old guy. Reminds me of a bit in a Terry Pratchet Novel "TO BE THAT OLD YOU HAVE TO BE VERY GOOD. None of my friends have ever made the right choice.
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Geronimo would be the one on the right. Wonder if any of those others is cochise? Geronimo was known to carry a single action army he had gotten off a soldier. Supposedly it was chambered in 44-40 like bis winchester. What i dont get is if the native americans couldnt speak english how did they read on the cartridge to see what caliber it was?
 
Wonder if any of those others is cochise
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Cochise had been dead for twelve years when these pics were taken, so I hope not.

Geronimo was known to carry a single action army he had gotten off a soldier. Supposedly it was chambered in 44-40 like bis winchester.
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Look at the pics I posted of Geronimo's gun rig. His revolver was a nickle plated, 5 1/2 bbl .45 Colt SAA with Ivory grips. A soldier would've had a blue, 7 1/2 bbl .45 Colt. He probably got his Colt from the same place he got his gun belt, Mexico.

What i dont get is if the native americans couldnt speak english how did they read on the cartridge to see what caliber it was?
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Some could, and some could speak spanish (Geronimo).
 
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That is the point. At a distance, the .45-70 springfields were the better rifle. More range, and killing power. But at close range,(less then 150 yards) such as the fight with Custer's group (described as a "running gunfight) and with Reno in the river bottom, and his retreat to the bluffs, the rapid, almost point blank (and in some cases just a few feet) firepower of the repeating rifles (Henry, Winchester, Spencer) were much more effective than the single shot carbines of the 7th cavalry. The Henry and 1866 Winchester rifle held 16 rounds, the 1866 carbine held 12. The 1873 Winchester rifle held 13 , the carbine 10. The only reason Reno's command survived is because Reno was smart (or panicked, depending on source) enough to retreat up to the top of the bluff on the other side of the river. If he had stayed in the timber were he took cover after the failed charge into the villiage, he would've been surrounded and wiped out, as was Custer. The 1873 Springfield carbine/rifle was meant to be used to engage the enemy at long range, not from ten feet. But this is way off topic.
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The indians were smart. They would send in a few braves and the soldiers would shoot. Right after shooting the indians would send en another wave with repeaters to wipe em out while reloading. I dont think he had one around but if ole custer had a gatlin gun with a couple thousand rounds of ammo the indians wouldnt have had a chance.
 
Speaking of posed photos, here's one of my great grandfather's brother in law. The closest he ever got to the ocean was Lake Huron.

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He hadn't been born when the CSS Virginia sunk the USS Cumberland. But he looks salty enough!
 
Wow You could have snookered me with that one.. If I would have seen that in a Garage Sale / Auction I would have thought that to be real..

That guy has the look of just getting off a ship, If not just back from battle... Cool you knowing who that is..

Mucho thanks for sharing
 
There are several pictures of Geronimo where prop guns were used. Mainly for "health" reasons of those on the other end of the camera. The general idea was to show a fierce enemy, not to have a live action photo.
 
The picture where he is standing is, my understanding, just after he surrendered to Cook and just before he escaped. The one where he is on horseback is, my understanding, the only known photo of him free and in a state of war with the United States. Some photos of his sidearms:

http://www.nativestock.com/famain.a...WPV34W&action=viewimage&cid=430&imageid=14503

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=28287.25

Who is he? A good demonstration of the power of courage and determination.
 
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?? He is Goyathlay, medicine man to Natchez, who was a son of Cochise. The Mexicans named him Jerome, not his parents. He tricked, lied to, and even abducted his comrades at times, to go raiding in Arizona and Mexico. He was a brave man who was legitimately wronged when Mexican troops wiped out his family but it's also true that after he avenged their deaths he raided to get ponies, mules, food and mescal
 
The picture where he is standing is, my understanding, just after he surrendered to Cook and just before he escaped. The one where he is on horseback is, my understanding, the only known photo of him free and in a state of war with the United States
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You will notice that in both pics you mention, Geronimo is wearing the exact same clothes. They were taken at the same time when Geronimo was talking about surrendering to the U.S. Army. C.S Fly took several pictures at the same time.
 
Hawg, do a google image search for Geronimo and then you tell me. There are a LOT of photos of the old fellow. This is the only set of pics where Geronimo is wearing that coat.
 
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Don't laugh, but what is the stick in Geronimo's hand? It isn't a ramrod, right? It doesn't really look like an arrow; is it a riding crop or something? It would be one heck of a long peace pipe.
 
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