Who here is going to admit that they use silencers primarily because they're 'cool'?

I would certainly be interested in shooting a suppressed handgun. And I'm not sure if I have been around when others have been shooting them -- except for one time. We were at my club on the outdoor range and as it turned out, a guy two lanes over (these are H-U-G-E lanes, mind you, maybe 10-12 yards wide) was shooting some suppressed rimfire pistol. But because we were out on a range at a gun club... I had my ear protection on. I could hear him shooting as my ears are electronic, but it didn't sound any different until I took the ear protection off.

It basically made the point for me that I had already assumed ahead of time. That being since I don't have my own private land for a place to shoot... shooting suppressed weapons (for me!) was simply going to be at a place where anywhere from 1 other person to 50 other people were going to be shooting guns anyway. :p
 
Ok, yeah, at a public range with a dozen other people blasting away, shooting suppressed doesn't really do much, except when it reduces recoil by a significant amount.
Our biggest customers?
Landowners with damage stamps, who are tired of neighbors calling the sheriff every time they pop a deer out of season.
 
The silencers I make for my guns are just mufflers, nothing cool about them for the most part. Just something else to make the gun more comfortable to shoot. Some of the ignorance and bias in this thread is just holding gun owners back if you ask me.
 
Well, I made mine, and it is exceptionally cool.
Why?
Because no factory offers one like it.
Takes 9mm, full power 5.56, full power 7.62x39, and full power 308. All in a titanium can weighing in at 21 ounces.
It's as quiet as a factory 9mm can, and as quiet as a factory 5.56 can, and very very close to as quiet as a factory 308 can, all compared side by side.
Waiting on a form 1 to do a rimfire can.
 
Just because people disagree with you or have different motivations for firearms ownership, does not mean that those people are ignorant or biased.

There is really nothing wrong with liking something because it is 'cool'. So if some of us bought silencers because they are 'cool', that is all the better.

Sometimes, when an anti-gunner asks me why I need (fill on the blank), my response is because 'it is bad ass'. Last I checked, the second amendment didn't have test for utilitarianism.

A lot of marketing based on 'cool'. And we have every right to love our cool stuff.

Look at these beauties...

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For the big bore rifles,338 Lapua,300win mag,7rem mag,which I shoot on a daily basis the suppressor makes them a pleasure to shoot with a great amount of sound and recoil reduction.:)
 
I tell people all the time, this is America, it's not about need, it's about want.
Half the people drive around in cars that will go 100+ mph. You cannot drive that fast anywhere legally in America, but you bought that car. Why? Because you wanted it.
And I don't care.
You wanted a fast car, I wanted a fast gun.
We both have fun.
 
How much reduction in volume is provided by a typical suppressor?

How much reduction in volume is provided by typical hearing protection?

It would appear from the comments that the actual numbers would surprise many people on this thread. ;)
 
Well, at the time, the idea was that it would be so expensive, no one would do it, since in 1934, $200 was a lot of money.

It's still not chickenfeed, for folks working paycheck to paycheck..... which falls in line with the original idea ..... keep the average citizen from having them, so as to keep the number of NFA guns in existence controllable by the Good ol' boy Network ...... it is, as it has always been, about control.




Virginia has more machine guns than any other state.

Couldn't possibly be any coincidence between that and the fact that 2 out of the 3 wealthiest counties in the nation are in Virginia, and are wealthy because they are suburbs of DC (The other is also in the DC/Metro.... but it's in Maryland). Power and Money are concentrated there as never before, and it shows.
 
But don't some suppressors reduce the loudness more than others? I'm wondering if this is one of those "get what you pay for" situations.
 
"...see them in movies, and we want one..." There's a lot of stuff like that. Smith 29's, my M1 Rifle and Carbine, the Jeep I had.
"...but your afternoon will not go as planned..." And it'll cost you in 5 figures.
"...$200 for a meal..." Wouldn't be eating for 6 weeks after.
 
one more reason

While cans are cool (but not nearly as cool as MGs) they also allow one to shoot in far more places than an unsuppressed gun, without drawing attention.
 
Late to this thread, I know.... I bought my first suppressor as a curiosity. It was part of the HK Mark 23 and Knights OHG combo. I wasn't sure what to expect the first time I fired suppressed. Needless to say, it didn't sound like films from the seventies and eighties portrayed. I didn't really expect it to.

As to hearing safe, it depends on where you discharge the weapon. In the open range with nothing to bounce the sound back, mine is definitely hearing safe. It makes no more noise than a pneumatic framing nailer. Under a steel roof is still uncomfortable. Within a structure, I wouldn't want to fire it without hearing pro. More interesting to me was that the suppressor changed the sound so that unless you knew it was a gun, you'd likely not associate the sound with one. Of course this is 45acp and the projectiles are subsonic.

I bought my second suppressor for different reasons. My third I bought because it was only one of less than thirty ever made by KAC.
 
reticle said:
In the open range with nothing to bounce the sound back, mine is definitely hearing safe.
No, it's not. You may think it sounds "hearing safe", but medical science tells us otherwise. Feel free to not wear hearing protection, shooting with your silencer is a lot better than shooting un-suppressed and it will probably take a lot of shooting to have any noticeable hearing loss. But claiming that it's "hearing safe" is incorrect and irresponsible; this is a public forum and lots of people look for advice here.

Read post #6 and post # 12 again.

reticle said:
It makes no more noise than a pneumatic framing nailer.
A pneumatic framing nailer isn't "hearing safe" either, and it's loud enough to permanently damage your hearing over time. In fact, simply working the action or even just dry-firing some fireams produces a sound level over 100 dB, which is over the threshold for permanent hearing damage from repeated exposure.
 
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I just purchased a suppressor, only because I wanted to make a cool gun project.

I am going to make a snow camo select-fire AR with a white suppressor.

In central Texas, we don't get much snow, but I saw it in a movie, and said, 'I don't have one of those.'

It is going to be the coolest gun ever. EVER.

*I would take Theos' advice. He's very scientifically knowledgable on the issue of suppressors.
 
Really Theohazard? I don't remember seeing you out there in the desert with me. What did your meter read when I was firing? Was I firing wet or dry? How many grains of which powder did I charge my cartridges?

The fact is you don't know what I experienced. I said in the open range mine was definitely hearing safe. Slamming my truck door was louder. Unless you expect the average person to never be exposed to that level of noise, I don't think you need to play the pedant. The internet has been around long enough that I think even the most remedial user knows the info there in should be taken with a grain of salt.

You may have had good intentions, your delivery could some work.
 
reticle said:
Really Theohazard? I don't remember seeing you out there in the desert with me. What did your meter read when I was firing? Was I firing wet or dry? How many grains of which powder did I charge my cartridges.
None of that matters, not unless you loaded your cartridges so light that they don't even remotely resemble regular pistol loads.

There's no need to be upset. The fact is that there is no silencer on the market that is "hearing safe" using normal ammo. Period. Even a silenced .22 rifle fired wet outdoors using subsonic .22 LR ammo will still be above the medically safe limit for noise-induced hearing loss over time.

You're using a .45 ACP KAC silencer, which fired wet from the best host possible on a good day outdoors with favorable testing equipment will meter 125 dB at best. That's FAR above the level that will permanently damage your hearing.

reticle said:
The fact is you don't know what I experienced.
No, but I know this: Either you experienced something that nobody else firing a pistol silencer has ever experienced, or your silencer wasn't hearing safe.

reticle said:
Slamming my truck door was louder.
You're trying to use your ears to determine whether your silencer was "hearing safe", but that doesn't work very well. Actual decibel measurements have shown time and time again that the best pistol silencers on the market in the most favorable tests possible never meter below 120 dB. So either your car door is very loud or your ears aren't as good as a decibel meter at objectively measuring sound.

I hear this so often; people are convinced that their silencers are quieter than they actually are. And this is for two main reasons: First, they're mentally comparing the sound to what it sounds like unsuppressed, and the difference is huge. And second, the sound of a gun firing is much quicker and at a different pitch than many other sounds, so it seems quieter to the ear. But your Mk23 with your Knights suppressor made a sound that's similar in dB range to a jackhammer, even if your subjective experience tries to tell you otherwise. There's a reason why people use decibel meters to objectively measure sounds instead of their ears.

reticle said:
You may have had good intentions, your delivery could some work.
If I have offended you, I apologize. But your post was incorrect and irresponsible, especially considering I already addressed this previously in this thread and provided good links to more information.

There is plenty more verifiable information on the internet provided by various scientific organizations that study hearing loss. And there are plenty of links to various tests of the decibel levels of suppressed firearms. Combine that information, and it's pretty easy to determine that there's no physical way possible that your silencer is "hearing safe", not unless you loaded your rounds FAR below anything that resembles a standard pistol load.
 
theohazard said:
There's no need to be upset. The fact is that there is no silencer on the market that is "hearing safe" using normal ammo. Period. Even a silenced .22 rifle fired wet outdoors using subsonic .22 LR ammo will still be above the medically safe limit for noise-induced hearing loss over time.

The audiologist who tells you about the danger associated with a suppressed .22 rifle in an open field will also warn you about a similar danger from your telephone receiver or a diesel engine or a piano. I've been in teleconferences with another fellow with a voice so loud I had to bend away and have a finger in one ear like an artillery guy. My wife has an aunt who I am certain is a risk to my hearing, or at least my ability to listen to her. Modern life poses lots of moderate risks to one's hearing.

With firearms the risk one routinely faces is a painful level of noise with immediate and permanent damage that can leave a person grossly impaired over time. That's a difference of degree and kind.
 
Zukiphile, I agree. The level of hearing loss one can expect from a suppressed .22 is extremely low and would require a lot of shooting to be noticable. Much of what we do in our normal lives probably causes more danger to our hearing. However, I'm simply providing context to the claims of silencers being "hearing safe".

The quietest .22 silencers using a rifle with subsonic .22 LR ammo meter in the 115 dB range. That's in the same dB range as a jackhammer or a chainsaw, and that's in a range that can easily damage your hearing pretty quickly. However, the saving grace is that the sound of the shot is very quick, so it would take a lot of shots to add up to noticable hearing loss.

And when you get up to the sound level of a suppressed centerfire pistol or rifle, the danger is much higher and the duration required to cause permanent hearing loss is much shorter.
 
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I just wanted to post pictures of my daughter's toys...

... but unfortunately this rifle with a fat end bit got in the way...

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Yeah.... they're just cool!! :D
 

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