Who here has lost someone to gun violence, or been shot themselves?

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I have to yet see a gun get violent.
OTOH, I've seen many people get violent.

I've lost a few friends to suicide though. But they choose different methods to eliminate themselves. Fom cars, to buildings, to guns, to drugs. They were all equally affective in that capacity.

I've been shot. Let me tell you something. It hurts!! Not immediately, but shortly afterward.
But honestly, I've been hurt more by doctors.
But that's another story.

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited October 05, 2000).]
 
On my the eve of my 21st birthday I buried a good friend who was shot to death by a pair of thrill seekers.

He was comming home from work around 10-11 PM and stopped to help two kids, 16 and 17, who appeared to be stuck on the side of the road. They bushwacked him for $12.83 and after forcing him back into the front seat of his car took turns pumping rounds into him with a 12Ga and a .38 sp

The little pieces of fecal matter were from CT and the crime scene was approx 1/4 mi inside NYS. You see, NY at the time didn't have the death penalty and CT did. The little souless bastards wanted to "see what it was like to kill someone" (their exact words from the police inteview) and if they got caught they didn't want to face "Ol Sparky" et al.

If Dean had a sidearm he might have had a chance, but he wasn't the type of guy to carry a gun, just a nice, peacefull, naive 20 year old kid. The last thing on his mind would have been needing to defend himself, 10 min from his rural home, during an act of good samaratanisim.

Now people have asked me "how could you be so pro 2nd ammendment after seeing what happened to Dean"? My answer is that gun control wouldn't have mattered in this case, or most others.

Ignoring the fact that these two vermin were sociopaths, willing to kill out of curiosity, and sure as hell wouldn't have followed any gun laws. The .38 and the 12 Ga were stolen from the father of one of the perps, a police detective, and no proposed law would have removed the weapons from his home. The firearms didn't murder my friend, the little insects who pulled their triggers did.

The only thing that could have made a difference would have been an armed victim, and thats why I never leave the house without my Glock 30 on my hip. It's for the protection of me and for every good person around me at any given moment.

damnit, 11 years later and it still hurts like hell....

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[This message has been edited by Mordwyn.45 (edited October 06, 2000).]
 
not exactly lost to gun violence but, neice was robbed at gun point, then beaten to death and left in the desert. oh yeah this was done by a felon who was only "re-introduced" back into society in jan. of 2k after serving 7yrs for a reduced plea of manslaughter after killing his girlfriends kid. he then only waited 3mths before he did my neice.
i don't know about you but i definetely feel that most of the (violent)felon's in prison are truly misunderstood and can be put back into society to live the rest of their lives as model citizens!
 
So true JMC and to actually punish them for their crimes to the extent of their crime would violate their civil rights
and certainly show us as being incompassionate.
My cousing got a virus called Epsteme bar
(sp?) its a permanent version of mononucleosis which I had when I was young it can be very depressing.
Anyway the doctors soon had him on over half a dozen drugs so they could get money from his insurance company and that affected him like marajuana so I like to think he was a little out of it when he shot himself with his dads rifle in the woods.
That was my fathers nephew to his sister.
My fathers brother to that same sister who had a history of depression some time after his wife decided to leave him, shot himself with his rifle.
So I never push my father on the fact that hes a little anti-gun.
No matter how it happend I understand it being a painful subject for him.
But for some odd reason I sort of find comfort in the fact that I know neither of them spend several minutes burning or suffocating to death.
Remember WACO.

My cousin was 19 at the time,I cant remember him ever being harsh towrds anyone.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Donny:
I have to yet see a gun get violent.
OTOH, I've seen many people get violent.

I've lost a few friends to suicide though. But they choose different methods to eliminate themselves. Fom cars, to buildings, to guns, to drugs. They were all equally affective in that capacity.

I've been shot. Let me tell you something. It hurts!! Not immediately, but shortly afterward.
But honestly, I've been hurt more by doctors.
But that's another story.

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Pretty much what you've said. (And Yep! I, too, have been hurt *much* more by `Doctors?'. At least with the gunshot wound the pain eventually went away. {WAN GRIN!})

BTW, "Doleo ergo sum" means `I ache, therefore I am'. Thanks, *not*, Doc.



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Doleo ergo sum,
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[This message has been edited by Halfpint (edited October 06, 2000).]
 
In 1978, the best friend I ever had in my life was killed in Bimini, an island in the Bahamas off the Florida coast. Their laws are like the U.K. and it was then illegal to possess so much as a round of ammunition- worth a life sentence. My friend had earlier wrecked his boat on a beach and somehow got into an argument with a restaurant owner. The owner pulled a gun and shot my friend in the leg. He had a rare blood type and bled to death. So much for gun control, huh?

I've known 2 people who've shot themselves to death. One was a crusty old west Texas man who wanted to spare his family and himself the experience of terminal cancer. Another was a troubled young guy I knew in graduate school, who used a shotgun on himself.

About a year and a half ago, a contractor who used to do desktop support work for us was walking his dog in his nice little middle-class neighborhood in northwest Houston. He'd reached a cul-de-sac and was turning around when a small, elderly, beat-up BMW cut him off. Two late teens or early 20's guys, one black and one Hispanic, exited the car and pointed what was later said to be a .44 Magnum revolver at him. They demanded his wallet and he complied. The one with the gun then demanded a ring that he had on so he complied with that as well. Then the guy with the gun shot him in the shin, "almost like an afterthought", destroying a bone in the lower leg. Maybe it was a gang initiation or something. In any case, this acquaintance had to spend about 8 months in in physical therapy after recovering.

A week after I heard about him I took my Texas CHL class and applied. His neighborhood is about 7 miles from my own, and you wouldn't expect trouble there. As the man says, Condition Yellow....
 
Shot twice on a traffic stop in 1988. once in the face and once in the thigh with a .32acp FMJ. 8 surgeries (5 on the right eye) later I finally went back to work. As far as suicides go, I've been to lots over the years. Guns run about 6% of the total. Hanging is by far the most popular with guys, girls overdose. I have never seen a suicide with a handgun. As an aside, I quickly polled everybody here, (cops) and got only 2 other examples. However, just about all of them have been cut by a subject with an edged weapon.
 
Interesting question! Since 1954, there have been FIVE (5!) members of my family (as close as a grandfather, a first cousin, wife's first cousin-8 mo pregnant shot in the back of the head with a .44 while tied to a chair in her own home; as distant as a neice of my uncle) who have all been killed with a gun. Three things to note. (1)THERE HAS NEVER SO MUCH AS BEEN EVEN ONE ARREST, much less a trial and jail sentence for any of the perps. (2)No gun law real or imagined would have stopped any of them. (3)Now, I carry (legally). I may be next, but the next perp MAY get a BIG surprise-in .45 caliber!
 
I took a handgun bullet to the leg last year while out in the woods near my house. Still dont know who fired it. Most likely it was .45 due to the size of the hole it punched in my leg. It hurt bad for about a week but all it did was muscle damage. Luckily it went all the way through my leg so the quacks at the ER didnt have to go digging around in there. Whose fault was it that I got shot. The idiot who didnt check his backstop.
 
My grandfather, who lived less than a mile from me for most of my life, shot himself while I was in boot camp. He had undergone 5 or 6 surgeries to try and correct a degenerative eye condition, and couldn't face spending the rest of his life blind and dependent on others. While it was terrible to lose him, I can't say I blame him or bear him any ill will for it.

Jarhead out.

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One suicide, one dumbassedness or possible suicide, one murder/robbery by some mafia punk ( I think that's who did it but I can't prove it, he's since been arrested on a unrelated murder ). In every case I believe it would have ended the same way whether or not there was a gun involved, in the case of the murder, the person was carring a large quantity of cash and while I imagine he had a gun, I doubt if it was on him, could have saved his life if it was though.
 
My oldest daughter was shot to death in 1991 by her brother-in-law. The first bullet went through her right forearm, which she held up in a defensive reflex, and hit her in the right side of the head. As she lay on the floor he shot her two more times in the head. Her husband, his brother and their sister's husband were in it together. They killed her for insurance money. She was only 22 years old. Took four years to get enough evidence to arrest them another 4 years to bring it to trial. If you think our judicial system works, go through a trial one time. No one received the death penalty, none were given life of any kind and the one who did the killing got 17 years. Her husband and his brother-in-law got 70 years. It would take too much space to explain the whys and whats that resulted in such lenient sentences for them. To add insult to injury, my wife and I had to go to a parole hearing last month for the murderer. We stopped it this time around but were told he will go free next year because the laws will force the prison system to release him. He will have served 8 years for murder. Liberals have bastardized the legal system to the point where there is no such thing as justice. I don't want to make this post too long but I have to mention how great the police officers were who were involvled in this case. Two investigators from the start of the case would not let go of it even when there seemed no hope of solving it. They even worked on their off duty time. Because we live in Tennessee and the trial was in New Jersey, my wife and I and our other daugher were the only ones there. At the sentencing of her husband, every uniformed police officer, investigator, paramedic and the prosecutor's staff involved in the case was there with us as our family. They have our eternal gratitude. They are good people.
 
Very interesting topic.

I don't really have anything to add, except that I feel really bad reading posts from those who've lost loved ones to the act of some heathen.

Especially George Dickel, to lose someone that young, and so close to you makes me absolutely furious even though I don't know you and I didn't know your daughter.

I wish that EVERYONE that believes gun-control and furthermore, the judicial system works could read this thread.

I guess the closest I've come to human violence involving a firearm is this:
My aunt is a teacher at the school in Stockton where that a$$hole shot the kids and then himself back in the eighties.
She heard "fireworks" and when out to the schoolyard to investigate.
Within seconds she was pulling bleeding children inside, at least one of whom died in her arms.

My aunt is now staunchly anti-gun (even though the weapon used was illegally converted to full-auto and no legislation could have stopped it).
That is about the time that I became firmly pro-freedom.
I guess I just viewed the issue from a different (saner) perspective.

Anyway, to those of you who have truly been touched by violence, my deepest heartfelt sympathies are offered.

:(

-Kframe
 
My cousin left an abusive relationship. She came home with her son to pick up things she needed. The husband was supposed to be out of the house at the time. Husband came home and shot them both. The son survived, my cousin didn't.
 
I, too, offer my sympathies to the families of those lost to senseless violence. :(

I would also like to reiterate what Donny said.

By using the term, "Gun Violence" we help the anti self-defense crowd to infringe on our God-given rights even more. Ever think about using the terms "Car Violence," "Knife Violence" or "Axe Violence?"

By using their terms, we tacitly admit that guns can be violent.

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"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
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Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
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(OT) There was a guy in Brownsville who was tried for murder. He recieved life in prison, and his attorney was able to win a new trial saying the sentance was too harsh! The judge agreed to a new trial, AND had the trial moved to Williamson County (N. of Austin) where the man promptly recieved the death penalty. Justice is occassionally served.
My grandfather was trying to kill an armadillo in his back yard. Armadillo's are destructive little pests that can injure livestock that step in their holes. He shot the critter, and then it crawled under his barn. G'pa lay'd his double barrel shotgun down, and crawled under the barn to drag the creature out. Before he was completely out, he tossed the animal behind him, the armadillo was still somewhat living, and it hit his shotgun discharging the other barrel. It mutilated his R foot. The newspaper read: Man Shot by Armadillo! Seriously! We saved the headline and article. This happened while I was too young to remember much, except his hospital room, and other things about Ft. Sam Houston. He was retired Army, so they just took him there. As a child I had the best gun-saftey visual aid ever. His foot was missing a grapefruit sized hunk of flesh. He said he didn't notice any pain except that it seemed like fireants were stinging him. He really didn't know he was shot until he got back to the house, and looked at the blood-trail he was leaving. It was then that the pain hit him--HARD.
 
My Dad shot himself this past summer. He was in a lot of financial debt as well as getting married to a piece of trash who is responsible for his demise. My Mom, who divorced my Dad in 1991, asked me if I still liked guns since he used one to take his life. I told her that it wasn't the guns fault and that he could have easily used other means.
 
My grandfather shot himself when I was 7. He got tired of fighting cancer and old war wounds. He just went out to his favorite spot in the woods and used a pistol. My mother gets physically ill every time she finds out that I’m carrying yet has no problem with the shotgun by the door.

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I was smacked in the chest with a chunk of a round at the range once...I guess it bounced off the backstop. Left a bruise on my chest as it bounced off and left a scrape going down my arm. Nothing serious, but it was an interesting wakeup call.

/Sciri/
 
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