White House used RNC email to illegally bypass Pres. Records act of 1978

Let me be perfectly clear. If the whitehouse broke the law with regards to emails, or anything else then the guilty parties should be punished. That said, anyone here who thinks that the motivation of the people leading this crusade is anything other than a political hit is just delusional. Its kind of like making an illegal search and finding a bunch of dope. Sure you found something illegal, but your motive and method is improper.
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Oh, is it bad analogy time? It's more akin to finding a bunch of dope after pulling somebody over for an equipment violation. Still not a perfect analogy, but it's bad analogy time so it's all good!

When senators grill the attorney general and demand to know why these people were fired, that is pissing on the executive. They have the right to ask and he has the right to tell them to pound sand. When Pelosi travels to a country that we are diplomatically ignoring, and over the objections of the branch of government that is exclusively granted powers of diplomacy, that is pissing on the executive.
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Well, the executive has been pissing on the legislative for years now. Good to see them pissing back. At least not it's a good ol' fashioned pissing match, instead of just watching 1/3 of our government get pissed on constantly.
 
"HEY-SOOSE", this news will cause the hens to quit laying, the well to go dry and all the tires go down on my go to town flivver !!!!! Like, excuse me sir, here's a quarter, call somebody who cares.........
 
If the whitehouse broke the law with regards to emails, or anything else then the guilty parties should be punished.
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Which is what this thread is about. And probably should get back to being about. I'll see if I can take the first step.


In my link in post #2, it was clear that by 1993 the White House needs to keep track of emails. This started with Clinton, who "lost" 250,000 emails that pertained to a cover-up. This brings us to:
The White House, on the other hand, installed an e-mail archiving system in July 1994, after a court ruled that electronic records must be preserved in the same way as federal records. It was such a novel concept at the time that it had to be custom-built.
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During the Fitzgerald investigation of the Plame "situation" (trying not to offend anyone here) it became clear that the use of the RNC email accounts at gwb43.com were in use and subpeona'd. So, in 2005, the current white house very much was aware of the need to retain these emails.

It seems very much intentional at this point that there was continued use of RNC mail servers (hatch act and whatnot), and also very much intentional that these emails were not archived.

As a consultant, this is the kind of stuff I do every day. I know exactly how trivial it is to keep these archives. Regardless of how this was discovered, it concerns me that the WH has 150+ staffers using external email accounts for WH correspondence, which was subsequently deleted.
 
Well, I guess every forum has its leftists...even a gun forum.
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And every gun forum has its share of unthinking blindly-party-loyal limbaugh ditto heads who cannot distinguish between party lines and factual issues....cannot distinguish right from wrong, and true from untrue, regardless of party affiliation. Obviously, I agree with most everything Redworm, JuanCarlos, SecDef, P.P., and others have said. Shrub is an absolute disgrace to politicians everywhere, and that's really saying something - he needs to be impeached..and I voted for him even, way back in '00, before I knew what an evil, unprincipled scoundrel him and his co-horts are. He doesn't quite rise to the level of scum-sucking that Clinton did, but he's mighty close.
 
Executive picking and choosing which laws the legislative creates to enforce falls under it, though.

The executive is in the unique position of completely invalidating laws passed by the legislative simply by refusing to enforce the law. That definitely throws the balance of power around. Heck, by never bringing certain cases to court, the executive can ensure that the judicial has no say in the matter, too.

That is not a direction this country should be going. Checks and balances are a good thing.
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One of the checks on the legislative branch, and the judicial branch for that matter, is the dependency on the executive branch for enforcement.

I think that we suffer from a great deal of law pollution and I am very glad that many, if not most, laws are not vigorously enforced. Even in the rare instance that a law is just, the executive branch has very finite resources available for enforcement and how those resources will be allocated between competing interests is likely to change from one administration to the next depending on the views of a President and his priorities.

Certainly, no administration posses the resource to completely enforce even a single criminal statute much less all of them simultaneously. Consider, it is a crime for a foreign nation to enter these United States without permission from our government and yet we have many millions of such criminals current living openly within our society, some for long periods of time. Should the President dedicate more of the limited resources available to him toward the enforcement of our immigration laws? How would such an allocation impact the enforcement of environmental laws, civil rights laws or anti-terrorism laws?

Perhaps in an imaginary Utopian world of unlimited resources a President would have no need to choose between which laws to enforce vigorously and which laws to let languish, but then no such world does, or ever will exist.

The most likely source of tyranny, in a democracy, is not from the executive, but from the legislative branch as the power to create law is the principle power embedded within every form of government. If we are to err, then let us err out of a zealous desire to preserve our liberty, let us err in behalf of the executive branch in preference to the legislature.

Respectfully,
Richard
 
The knights who say "Ni" demand..... a sacrifice!
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Don't you know they are no longer the Knights who say Ni?
They are now the knights who say "Ecky-ecky-ecky-ecky-pikang-zoop-boing-goodem-zu-owly-zhiv"

Sheesh!:rolleyes: :D
 
Don't you know they are no longer the Knights who say Ni?
They are now the knights who say "Ecky-ecky-ecky-ecky-pikang-zoop-boing-goodem-zu-owly-zhiv"
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Oh not another shrubbery!!
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Damn it, what a lousy day. First I read that Sturmgewehre (you bastard...Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelt of Elderberries!) went and bought a SA EMP which makes me horribly jealous and then I get beat to the punch on a Monty Python reference.

For being so rude as to beat me to the punch I declare that you punishment is to find the largest tree in the forrest and cut it down with...a herring!!! :)
 
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It is nearly all political theater and has been for the last couple of decades.

I did note that the Gonzales hearings were postponed today; the VT shootings apparently drew too much media attention away from the next act in that little drama.
 
Perhaps in an imaginary Utopian world of unlimited resources a President would have no need to choose between which laws to enforce vigorously and which laws to let languish, but then no such world does, or ever will exist.
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Absolutely, and the executive is not slave to the legislative.

However, there must be vigilance when the executive starts making the decision on a case by case basis. If half an office is dedicated to prosecuting people with brown hair are allowed to jaywalk, but people with blonde hair are given a pass, then it isn't just a matter of not enough resources, there needs to be oversight.

The most likely source of tyranny, in a democracy, is not from the executive, but from the legislative branch as the power to create law is the principle power embedded within every form of government. If we are to err, then let us err out of a zealous desire to preserve our liberty, let us err in behalf of the executive branch in preference to the legislature.
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Although you express yourself elequently, we've been erring for 5 years, and we've lost habeus corpus, personal privacy, and administrative accountability. Let us instead attempt to wrest these liberties back.

I did note that the Gonzales hearings were postponed today; the VT shootings apparently drew too much media attention away from the next act in that little drama.
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Isn't today a holiday in DC (which is why we get an extra day for IRS day) and the AG was scheduled for tomorrow anyways?
 
Isn't today a holiday in DC (which is why we get an extra day for IRS day) and the AG was scheduled for tomorrow anyways?
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Today was not a holiday in DC - just another working day for the Senate.

My statement about the Gonzales hearing was sloppy. Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee postponed from Tuesday to Thursday scheduled testimony by AG Gonzales.
 
Today was a DC holiday.

Mayor Signs District of Columbia Emancipation Day Amendment Act of 2004

(Washington, DC) Mayor Anthony A. Williams today signed into law Bill 15-827, the District of Columbia Emancipation Day Amendment Act of 2004. The bill establishes April 16 as a recognized legal public holiday in the District.

The holiday commemorates the day in 1862 that President Abraham Lincoln signed the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act, which ended slavery in the District of Columbia and freed more than 3,000 slaves. This act was passed nine months before President Lincoln issued his Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863. It was the first time that the government of the United States acted formally to abolish slavery and telegraphed the eventual end of slavery to the rest of the country.

“Creating this holiday will help to make this day of remembrance a permanent part of the District’s civic culture and an appropriate celebration of those who sacrificed in fighting slavery,” said Mayor Williams.

“This historic signing and official recognition of the DC Emancipation Day public holiday commemorating the District of Columbia as the first jurisdiction in the nation to have its 3100 slaves freed on April 16, 1862, nine months prior to the freeing of all slaves in the United States, is a great achievement for the preservation of DC history and world-wide education,” said Ward 5 Councilmember Vincent B. Orange, Sr., author of the legislation. DC slaves were “freed first,” and the nation followed on January 1, 1863.

In November, Mayor Williams signed a related bill, the District of Columbia Emancipation Day Parade and Fund Act of 2004. That bill established the Emancipation Day Parade and created the Emancipation Day Fund to use money to be raised from gifts and donations to fund the Parade and other activities related to Emancipation Day celebrations.

In addition to the Parade, the District of Columbia Public Schools will plan Emancipation Day programs, activities and projects during the week of April 16.
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