White House gun control petition tops 100k

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Thanks to the information age, everyone can express their views with the touch of a button or three. Nothing requiring much effort, such as actually writing a letter and mailing it.
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hmmmm....that's something I have to mull over quite a bit.
On one hand, a petition site like "We the People" could be a very hard brutally efficient way of shortcutting the letter writing process.
On the other hand, it lacks credibility.

The former is an aspect I never considered.

The latter may only be because the site is still in it's infancy, so to speak.
I'll have to look back at all the petitions submitted to date and see if there's a clue.
Thankfully, the site has only been up for a litle over a year/I'm retired and have nothing much else going on right now ;).


@ Nate45 - no offence taken at all - we're cool. I just didn't want the thread to drift into areas that. for right now. are better left alone.
 
100,000 signatures

Agreed, these White House petitions rarely get any attention or any productive outcomes. The White House has commented on this petition that it is the fastest petition ever signed.

Therefore we have taken their petition and changed just a few words on it to be in favor of gun rights.

Mental health kills people, not guns.

This petition will be promoted this week through forums and social media all week. Please spread it through you favorite forums and share on Facebook and Twitter.

Sign the petition now.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...gov&utm_medium=shorturl&************=shorturl
 
Hal said:
No one was killed in the knife attack on the school children in China.
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"The" knife attack?

There's hardly been only one.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–2011)

That link is for a two year period. A google search of "school attacks" will bring up a list of dozens, at least 15 of which have been in "oriental places", I didn't check the locations, I'm going by the language/alphabet of the name.

The simple truth that needs to be spoken and reinforced is that these incidents are not:

1)New
2)Uniquely American
3)Gun related
 
My apologies.

My search for "school violence" the other day only turned up the once incident that occured last Friday.
I was trying to get the point across to someone that there's no such thing as "gun violence", there's only "violence"


I do thank you for the extra "ammunition" provided by that link.
 
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Thanks to the information age, everyone can express their views with the touch of a button or three. Nothing requiring much effort, such as actually writing a letter and mailing it.

hmmmm....that's something I have to mull over quite a bit.
On one hand, a petition site like "We the People" could be a very hard brutally efficient way of shortcutting the letter writing process.
On the other hand, it lacks credibility.

The former is an aspect I never considered.
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In the dark and distant past, way before our current computer & cell phone age, I spoke at some length with some politicans and newspaper editors, and they were consistant about one thing. A written letter, delivered through the mail, carried the most weight. Because they knew for every letter writer, there were dozens to hundreds of people who felt the same way (no matter which way it was, or about what) that didn't bother to write.

Phone calls were also listened to, but were not given the same weight of opinion. 10 or 20 to 1 was the "value" of phone calls to written letters in those days.

Even today, an e-mail or a text, or an online petition does not impress them as much as a written letter, I have no idea what they consider the ratio today, but the fact is that even a huge seeming number of "hits" on a subject is only a tiny fraction of a percentage of the nation, and high electronic numbers on an issue today do not mean similar support for the same position the week after next.

This most recent mass murder is horrifying, but it is not new, not uniquely American, and not nearly as common as the media leads us to believe.
 
My recent experience with a written letter speaks of a different story.
My wife works in the MR/DD field for the county.

My wife and one of her clients wrote to the POS about how recent budget cuts in funding had caused her to lose her access to physical therapy and pleaded for some reconsideration.

She got a very encouraging form letter back saying how wonderful it was that she was 100% behind and efforts to control spending.

IOW - exactly the opposite.

I wonder just how far written letters go any more?
Sounds like a good idea for a thread eh?

In the dark and distant past, way before our current computer & cell phone age
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Yep - I remember the dark and distant past of rotary phones and music on AM radios instead of talk shows :D.

I've been mulling over the idea of the White House petitions and how they could be incorporated.
Creating a database out of those online petitions would be child's play. The formating is perfect for importing into a searchable database.
Contrast that to written letters, which would either have to be scanned in or manually entered.
A single response could then be generated to each signer also instead of generating individual responses.

It's (as I said above) a brutally efficient system. The "geek" in me admires it.

Make no mistake, the information age has a very dark underbelly. Knowledge is power and he who controls the flow of knowledge wields a tremendous amount of power...
 
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Call me paranoid but I feel nervious about adding my name and address to what is basically a "People to raid once the gun grab begins" list.
 
My hometown school has 450-ish kids, K-12. Two buildings. Two armed guards, full time, plus part-time coverage, say 4 total, conservatively. Average salary of say 25k. That's $100,000. The entire population is only a couple thousand people. You'd be asking them to pay $500/person. A family of 4 would be paying $2,000 a year. No way that's happening.
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I've been in towns that small, and would point out they get funding from the state... so that 500 per person is actually a much smaller number from everyone statewide. 450 students, K-12. The days of the one room schoolhouse are long gone. K-(max) 8 may have one teacher per grade. 9-12 will certainly have more, as the teachers speciaize in their departments. But even allowing for 12 teachers for 13 grades, that's 25K a year x 12 is 300K a year for 1500 per person, and 6,000 for a family of four. Do you think they're paying that just in school taxes already? Lest we forget that's long before you start talking about other operating costs like janitorial, utilities, administration, and extra curiculars. Almost no small-town school survives on local tax dollars.
 
They're not surviving on local taxes alone but that makes the situation worse instead of better.

That means that the state would have to be funding the program. A state that's already bordering on bankruptcy, already has some of the highest unemployment in the nation and nearly the highest property and school taxes.

My numbers are also extremely conservative. I've posted a similar response in another thread with researched numbers for State Police officers, which is the only realistic way that rural schools are going to get officers, and the average salary is over $100k. I even used $60k as an example in that thread and it's still very conservative. Even so, $60k makes it more than twice as bad. Reality would be worse yet.

It's completely unrealistic.
 
I don't disagree, armed guards at a school was unrealistic. Just that your reasoning wasn't as sound as it should be.
 
You signed a petition to have the government come take your Rock River AR-15, 20 and 30 round mags, and quite possibly all your 1911's as well? Well at least they'll pay you rock-bottom prices for all your hardware?
 
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Just complaining about Piers Morgan with no content isn't really worth it.

Yeah, he may be but let's have substantial conversation.

Thanks

GEM
 
I have put on my Edgar Cayce hat and have seen the following happening over the next four years:

Congress will pass an assault weapon ban similar to the Clinton era ban

This is all the Obama administration will need to issue executive orders in increasing severity on firearms covered by the act.

1) Ban the manufacture of these firearms
2) Ban the commercial sale of any existing firearms / parts / supplies
3) Ban the private sale of any existing firearms / parts / supplies
4) Order that owners turn in these firearms to the government ( they will not need to come after the guns as a law will be passed that says something along the line ‘possession will be a felony in involving serious prison time’ attrition over time will take these firearms out of circulation.).
5) Begin to tax ammunition on the level that cigarettes are taxed
6) Encourage state and local governments to add additional taxes on ammunition

The Supreme Court already has four rabidly anti gun judges on the bench. Obama will be adding at least two more during his administration. Any gun case appearing before this new court will lose.
 
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