while many of the newly elected Democrats may not be leftists...

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I suppose though now the pressure is on to put up or shut up...if they botch this or go too far to the left, it could result in a backlash.
 
I'm just hoping that the sheer amount of OTHER things to deal with (immigration, abortion, stem cell research, Iraq) keeps them away from firearms. Crime is down, so firearms is not a hot-button issue right now. It would serve no purpose other than to antagonize folks and show the voters 'SEE, this is what happens as soon as they get in power.'

In the interim it will give me time to buy more ammo,guns and magazines.

Maybe I can even sell it to the wife that they are investments now!
 
May the Lord Jesus Christ help us all.
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According to the Far-right Republicans, the country was founded only for his followers, and separation of church and state wasn't important.

Maybe He's trying to help you by sending you a message.
 
The traditional positions of Pelosi, Conyers and Rangle won't even appeal to the new Freshmen, let alone the Congress as a whole. I'm not sweatin' it too much.
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I don't think she can do any worse than has been done so far. The reason she is in charge now is because of how bad things got screwed up. I am not leftest and I don't want to be, but there needs to be somebody who challenges this administration at every turn, just look at the debt.
 
mthalo....that was a cheap shot blanket statement that has no basis in what Christians believe is a right direction for this country. Most Christians are advocates of separation of church and state...they don;t want the government telling them when and where they can pray. Look at what has happened in Canada...and I am afraid we are on the same track her...Pastors in their own church cannot say that homosexuality is wrong without fear of prosecution. That is what Christians are afraid of. According to Judeo-Christian teachings, Homosexual behavior is wrong...so why should somebody that believes that be forced to concede to the opposite? :confused: When the government is telling a religous group what they can and cannot teach IN THEIR OWN BUILDING....that is a problem. I.E. "Screw the *Insert Holy Book Here*, you can't teach its contents because we don;t like what it says." This is especially disturbing because this type of issue does not reflect a threat to anyone's security, just their ideology. I am pretty sure that 99.9% of Christians are not being taught to go kill the groups they oppose. I only use homosexuals because of the Canadian example. It scares me where this can lead too.

Separation of church and state (which language does not exactly appear in the Constitution) is more about preventing federal restriction and laws about religion then keeping a religious group out of government.

I could say the same about *insert liberal or other group here*.
 
I'm certainly no liberal, but I am well-informed enough to know that the government has no say-so on what ministers say in their own churches. To think that a minister could be arrested for opining that homosexuality is wrong would be as bad as condemning a Christian's position on separation of church and state, just because he doesn't now how to spell "separate."

My biggest concern is that we're going to see cross-dressers parading up and down the aisles of Congress.
 
THe example about ministers was from Canada. I am just concerned that is where we are headed.

And sorry about the "separate" spelling...I was typing a mile a minute.....I suppose you never make spelling errors on internet forums...:)
 
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Somebody want to loan me the money so I can get a black gun too? Please, please. . . pretty please?

Oh, alright, I guess I'll just keep wishing. I do fear that time is running out, though, so I better start saving now.
 
Servo: I maike spelling errors all de time. Was just using an outrageous analogy to point out an outrageous precis. (That ministers could be arrested for what they say in the pulpit.) I truly value the separation of church and state; ergo, my lack of fretting about wasting valuable class time for sending vibrations to the ceiling. :)
 
Somebody want to loan me the money so I can get a black gun too? Please, please. . . pretty please?

Oh, alright, I guess I'll just keep wishing. I do fear that time is running out, though, so I better start saving now.
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Two words:


CREDIT CARD

Worry about how you're gonna pay for it later. You can always earn more money; You may not be able to buy an AR-15 next year.
 
mthalo....that was a cheap shot blanket statement that has no basis in what Christians believe is a right direction for this country. Most Christians are advocates of separation of church and state...they don;t want the government telling them when and where they can pray. Look at what has happened in Canada...and I am afraid we are on the same track her...Pastors in their own church cannot say that homosexuality is wrong without fear of prosecution. That is what Christians are afraid of. According to Judeo-Christian teachings, Homosexual behavior is wrong...so why should somebody that believes that be forced to concede to the opposite? When the government is telling a religous group what they can and cannot teach IN THEIR OWN BUILDING....that is a problem. I.E. "Screw the *Insert Holy Book Here*, you can't teach its contents because we don;t like what it says." This is especially disturbing because this type of issue does not reflect a threat to anyone's security, just their ideology. I am pretty sure that 99.9% of Christians are not being taught to go kill the groups they oppose. I only use homosexuals because of the Canadian example. It scares me where this can lead too.
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I don't want to get into an argument, or upset anybody, but who cares what Christians think. This is a free nation and one religion shouldn't play so much of a part of politics. If you believe half the stuff in the bible you must be a little crazy. If you believe in becoming a good person and doing good deeds in this world more power to you, but if you believe every word and think that it makes a difference in the way this country works you are living in a dream world. Religion should be kept to yourself and shouldn't make a difference on how the country works!
 
Desert Heat...the point is not whether anyone cares what christians think....by that logic, who cares what anyone from any group (including you) thinks? My point is Christians have as much right to say their piece as myself, or anyone else for that matter. I think there is an unfair stereotype that was being put forth here, that is all.;)

One religion doesn't play so much a part...they just play what part effects the issues that are important to them. Same as any other group. I think it is incorrect to act as if they have a bigger voice in politics then anyone else by default. If they do, its because their group is large enough and well motivated enough to accomplish something, not because they are given special priviledge.

And asking religious individuals to not have their religion play a role in their beliefs on issues is absurd. IT will effect their values because it often defines their values. Right or wrong. Basically, all politics, beliefs, values, etc.etc. come down to the person. So asking one group of people to "shut up" because their beliefs are formed around the teachings of a particular religion is a free speech issue, and not right. People should be allowed to voice their opinions.

taht said, back to the topic at hand....
 
My biggest concern is that we're going to see cross-dressers parading up and down the aisles of Congress.
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You most likely already have. They were just in their "day clothes".

Religion should be kept to yourself and shouldn't make a difference on how the country works!
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I hate having little else to say than.... +1
 
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