Which One is Better to Own - .357, .40 or 10mm

Red Bull,

You are still comparing apples to oranges. There is no such thing as a "full Power" commercial load for .357 Magnum. The .357 Sig is loaded commercially to full power. The .357 Magnum is loaded to about 80% of its original spec.

Then again, the original post stated a defensive comparison of these cartridges. If the standard for a defensive cartridge is 357 Magnum and in light of todays liabilities (over penetration), why would someone even need a more powerful cartridge than .357 Magnum.

Look, I'm not trying to yank anybody's chain here. We are all here for fun and entertainment. Maybe even get and give some information. All I am saying is that these two modern cartridges, .357 Sig and 10mm, sit behind .357 Magnum in terms of power, potential and flexibility.

Robert



[This message has been edited by Robert the41MagFan (edited February 23, 2000).]
 
stdalire-First, I didn't want to start a battle of the calibers here. Sorry about that. As far as recommending a brand, well let's see. You already don't like the Glock. Since I don't think you are looking for high end and high priced pieces, we'll look at "high production" guns only. As far as I know, there is the Colt Delta Elite, the EAA Witness, the S&W 610 revolver, and the S&W autos. Since I don't like any S&W autos I can't recommend those fairly. I have fired the Colts, EAA's, and the 610. If it were me, I would go with either the Colt or the EAA. The early Colt, not the one based on the new 1991 line, is an excellent handgun that is still available. The only thing I would do is to add a beavertail grip safety. I find that the factory grip safety digs into my hand and hurts pretty bad. You may not experience that. If you want to customize it there are plenty of aftermarket parts for it, as you know. The EAA Witness is a DA/SA. It's a lot cheaper than the Colt. I wouldn't change a thing on it so accessories aren't an issue for me. You may have a problem finding magazines for the 10mm, but I haven't researched that, so I can't say that for sure. However, EAA does sell conversion units to fit the Witness line so you can shoot anywhere from 22lr to 45acp on the same frame. Last time I looked the conversions were around $200 or so. Not bad! If you want to stay with a 1911 platform then your mind is made up. If you want to try a DA/SA with a CZ type frame and the capability of multiple conversions then it's the Witness. You can't go wrong with either choice. You can still find a blue Colt for around $400-$450 if you look hard enough. The Witness can be had for around $300. If you can afford it, get both. On the other hand I must tell you that my next 10mm purchase will be the S&W 610 with a 3" barrel and unfluted cylinder. I've always wanted a revolver in 10mm and this has the potential to become my next carry piece. I'll let you know when I get it. I may have forgotten a manufacturer or two here. I'm sure that other members will identify those for you. Is your brain jelly yet?

Steve
 
Robert, I respectfully submit that you are dead wrong about the 10mm vs. .357 Mag. Taking FACTORY loadings (full house), the 10mm Auto lies between the .357 Mag and .41 Mag in ballistic performance, in both power and energy, in most loadings. 10mm simply outperforms .357 Mag, and I believe the data confirms this beyond a shadow of a doubt, BUT I will get back with you with specifics. Are you saying that if Gunwriter "X" says "here is what I chronoed factory loads at in my chronograph, and here they are", that we should suppose they're flat-out fabricating numbers? Get real, man. Now 20 years ago, .357 mag factory loadings were much hotter as I understand it, and still can be in a strong, quality, large-frame revolver, IF you reload - but for whatever reason (liability concerns?), today's loadings don't measure up to 10mm auto, IINM. Let me collect some verifiable numbers and get back with you.
 
Go Robert!

Stdalire,

I am curious about something. Why haven't you considered the .45 ACP? I happen to know that it is plentiful and available in your area of the world.

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Sensop

"Get your mind right and the body will follow." - Shino Takazawa, sinsei, hachi dan, Keishinkan do.
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Aztec, you left out the BEST, strongest, most comfortable, and most capable 10mm of them all....

The Glock....

(Nomex shields up, Mr. Sulu!)

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Reality ALWAYS takes precedence.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tazz10m:
Aztec, you left out the BEST, strongest, most comfortable, and most capable 10mm of them all....

The Glock....

(Nomex shields up, Mr. Sulu!)

Oh, BTW, if anybody really wants to know more about the 10mm, there is a 10mm club called "The 10 Ring" at GlockTalk.com with over 100 members and growing fast...

Also, Sig does not make a 10mm. They didnt want to design a whole new gun that could handle it, so, they made the .357 Sig and badmouthed the 10mm in their first issue of "Sig Magazine". I lost alot of respect for Sig after they published that rag. I must say though, in all fairness, that the .357 sig is good round, but, it will not handle 180 grain bullets like the .357 mag will.
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Greetings to all:

As I understand, from all your postings - the .357 Magnum is more powerful cartridge than the Sig .357, and the 10mm is over rule them all.

I reiterate, I limit my choice from .357, .40, and 10mm. Then with all your good presentations, my choice was reduced to twow only i.e. .357 and 10mm.
The .357 cartridge was argued between .357 Magnum and Sig .357 of which is better?

That is why we are here to inquire and answer, an on my case I am getting good feedback from all of you. Right now, with all the good argumentation of .357, I was convinced that the .357 Magnum revolver still surpassed the Sig .357 if it comes to hot loads based on the poster evidences and exhibits. But! the 10mm looks more powerful among the three mentioned cartridges.

Sensop, I have .45 Colt and 9MM DP51 and I am satisfied with both performance, but the urge of acquiring another toy is strong thus I have decided to buy famous cartridges like the .357, .40 and 10mm, or I may say now .357 and 10mm already as I disregard the .40 after reading the good points of each posters.

Like in solving problems in Case Study: we have many alternatives and choices of actions, but we only resort to one recommended solutions which we think we pick up from the best suggestions. The same way of what I am doing now in deciding on what to buy next.

Thank you once again in sharing me with all your well researched comments.
 
Taz10m-I did leave out the Glock line because stdalire stated that he didn't like that line. I do not share your opinion about the Glock as the best 10mm across the board. They don't point well for me and all I have fired were uncomfortable after extended firing sessions. The trigger feels like it is from another planet to me. Although I do want to try the G29. I will and will post my findings after I fire that compact.

HK makes the SP89 in 10mm. Now that is a sweet piece! I have had the opportunity to fired this superb firearm and only wish I had a few dozen.

Steve

[This message has been edited by aztec777 (edited February 24, 2000).]
 
Aztec, if you are used to shooting other guns you have your muscle memory set for those guns. The thing i learned to do was "point the barrel, not the grip"...

I agree with you about the way the Glock plastic yuck checkering feels in the hand, and so i suggest you check out Agrip... as it makes a Glock feel great and eliminates ANY shifting of the gun in your grip.

As for the trigger, yeah, it is a strange one, but, after you get used to it it is perfect for combat type shooting... i have learned to love it, although the trigger on my new G29 was not as good as i remember my G20 had... but then i smoothed the trigger on my G20, and now i have also since smoothed the trigger on my G29, but, i am not done with the 29 trigger yet though...

After you get a G29 and shoot it a bit, especially with Agrip on it, you will fall in love with the thing... AWESOME gun!!!

It is important though that your finger reaches the trigger properly with the Glock 10mm's, and so it is important to check that out before purchase.

The G29 is better than ANY .357mag for personal defense when you get down to the nitty gritty of all the benefits of the G29. EASY.

As for the .357mag vs the .357sig, it depends on the purpose of the gun. I would never use the .357sig for hunting deer, unless it was an emergancy, but i would use the .357mag no problem. But then i would take the 10mm over the top of the .357mag for hunting, easy. .357sig is a personal defense cartridge small enough to fit in a medium frame autopistol. 10mm requires a stronger frame, and the Glock 20 and 29 are designed specifically for the 10mm, and have proven to hold up VERY well. Also, with the G20 or G29 you can just drop in a new barrel and use exsisting mags for .40 S&W, .357sig, 9X24, and a few others... there is even design work being done on a 10mm case necked down to a .223 bullet.... screeeeeeeming hot!

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Tazz10m-I'll check out that G29 more closely this weekend. It is on my list of firearms to buy, but on the low end. If the grip angle feels okay I would fairly give it an evaluation for my needs and wants. I have taken game with .357 Mag and .44 Mag. I have taken to the Magnum Research Lone Eagle for most of my hunting nowadays. I usually carry the 30-30 barrel as I can load pointed bullets over lots of powder. I also have a 223, 308, and a custom 50AE barrel.

As for the development of the 10mm necked down to .224, I heard about that a couple of years ago and I'm building one on a Delta Elite. I can't wait! I should have the barrel back in about a month and will have it fitted to the slide and frame. I don't expect much recoil, but I do expect lots of muzzle flash and a very speedy little bullet. It's similar to the FN development. By the way, tell me more about the 9 x 24. Sounds interesting.

Steve
 
Answers as follows

Easy of ammo procurment

a S&W in .357mag if you want the most ammo choices (in places to buy the stuff I mean)

Max Mag Size
a Pre-ban 9mm

10Rnd mags only
a Post-ban .40

Most expensive solution

Madusa Gun (shoots a bunch of types) http://www.phillipsrodgers.com/Works.htm

But ultimatly select the one YOU feel most comfortible with, go to a range and rent a few for go with frieds and try theirs
 
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