Which is better Moss 500 or Rem 870 or Ithaca riot gun?
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Shin-Tao: Argumentative skills are a relative ability carrying various weights among the individuals whom the discussion surrounds. True ‘mechanics of debate’ would be whichever method the debater chooses to utilize. I choose an “X” v. “X” method, as there were two items being compared, not argued. However, in a Logical argumentative sense, the “X” v.”X” method would prove to be both sound and cogent, provided both issues could be proven as being “true”. Furthermore, your post was much akin to a first grader sticking out his tongue at the fifth grader who just stole his lunch.
tackdriver
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Baldy,
I think that Shin-Tao and I would just like for you to back up your name calling with something other than hot air.
I think that Shin-Tao and I would just like for you to back up your name calling with something other than hot air.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fal308:
One problem with the lefty Remington is barrels. One must use the correct barrels on the left-hand models, the standard right-hand model barrels won't fit on a left-hand receiver IIRC.[/quote]
That's only a problem for lefties.
I find lots of barrel choices for my 870...
One problem with the lefty Remington is barrels. One must use the correct barrels on the left-hand models, the standard right-hand model barrels won't fit on a left-hand receiver IIRC.[/quote]
That's only a problem for lefties.
Strange, I don't recall any name-calling with my post tackdriver, that would be juvenile. As for the great debate over Mossberg v. Remington: I believe the Remington to be a better firearm due to the superior framework the gun is built upon, better attention to detail, and-as no argument is without-personal preference. Also, I’ve seen the tang safeties on Mossbergs simply fall off, the forearm rattles, the action is rough, as opposed to the Remington which utilizes better alloy in the receivers, has a smoother action, and just appears to be put together better.
If you guys would like to continue the discussion, please contact me at my email address at xcaddis@yahoo.com so we don’t tie up any more board time-
If you guys would like to continue the discussion, please contact me at my email address at xcaddis@yahoo.com so we don’t tie up any more board time-
Mossberg receivers don't use substandard metals, they use lighter metals. The design was laid to be rugged and light.
One reason I prefer them is that their lightnes makes them easier to maneuver and track a moving target with.
I have extensive experiance with the Mossy and the Remington, and I happen to like the Mossy. Most shotgunners like the Remington.
No one's preferance makes them ignorant or a redneck.
One reason I prefer them is that their lightnes makes them easier to maneuver and track a moving target with.
I have extensive experiance with the Mossy and the Remington, and I happen to like the Mossy. Most shotgunners like the Remington.
No one's preferance makes them ignorant or a redneck.
Patrick Graham
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The mossberg 500 is hard to beat because it's light. It's easy to swing that puppy around. On the flip side, 3 inch mags out of a light mossberg is an "experience".
Weight sure does soften the kick of mags. I don't use mags that often at all in my 12bores so for me, the recoil isn't really an issue. I use Remington high velocity Game loads for HD and 00, 000, or flechettes for any non-HD actions.
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Jeff, CA
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Since when are flechettes legal for HD? And on the subject of recoil, the Mossberg really needs a decent recoil pad. The hard rubber one they provide just doesn't cut it.
Has anyone noticed that shotguns always seem to have a longer length of pull than rifles? Why is this? I had to put the "bantam" buttstock on my 590 (LOP 13" including 1" aftermarket recoil pad), and it's just right. Anyone have the same problem?
Has anyone noticed that shotguns always seem to have a longer length of pull than rifles? Why is this? I had to put the "bantam" buttstock on my 590 (LOP 13" including 1" aftermarket recoil pad), and it's just right. Anyone have the same problem?
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Jeff, CA
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Well, in CA, flechettes are specifically prohibited (except for police, of course). Where are you? I suppose I just assumed flechettes would be grouped along with armor piercing rounds, tracers, etc. (you know, the stuff no one "needs"). I don't recall ever seeing any for sale anywhere.
Flechettes in 12 and .410 are advertised in FireQuest, Delta Press and I believe, Shotgun News. The same people that make Dragons Breath make them. However, they are unreasonably expensive. But the steel darts themselves are available for reloading.
I would deploy the flechettes only against armored BGs, ala HollyWood shoot-out loonies, or targets at the edge of shotgun range. Flechettes have greater range than 000 for instance.
Use of flechettes are not defencible in court of cource, so they are only for use in really bad sits, like say, an AR15 or G3.
I am not familiar with CA laws. I assumed these shells were attainable every where. Silly me. I underestimated the scope of our friendly socialists in charge.
I would deploy the flechettes only against armored BGs, ala HollyWood shoot-out loonies, or targets at the edge of shotgun range. Flechettes have greater range than 000 for instance.
Use of flechettes are not defencible in court of cource, so they are only for use in really bad sits, like say, an AR15 or G3.
I am not familiar with CA laws. I assumed these shells were attainable every where. Silly me. I underestimated the scope of our friendly socialists in charge.
BaldEagle:
I may be mistaken but didn't the Marine Corps switch from Remington 870's to Mossberg 590's and if so does that make them redneck's (aren't they supposed to be leathernecks...) On a different note, I think I might prefer the Mossberg 500 (I very well might be a redneck too but that's not why I like the Mossberg). The only two pump shotguns I've seen malfunction were two Remington 870's! Based on that, I bought a Mossberg 500 a couple of years ago and have yet to have any problems with it (i.e. it has yet to jam and the safety hasn't fallen off).
I may be mistaken but didn't the Marine Corps switch from Remington 870's to Mossberg 590's and if so does that make them redneck's (aren't they supposed to be leathernecks...) On a different note, I think I might prefer the Mossberg 500 (I very well might be a redneck too but that's not why I like the Mossberg). The only two pump shotguns I've seen malfunction were two Remington 870's! Based on that, I bought a Mossberg 500 a couple of years ago and have yet to have any problems with it (i.e. it has yet to jam and the safety hasn't fallen off).
Jeff, sorry tot ake so long to respond, some #$%^&*( lowlife virused our computers and it's taken this long to get back up.
Shotgun stocks are longer because they're pointed,not aimed, on flying/running targets. The length aids the swing and lead. Rifles are aimed,and a shorter stock is in order to better acquire the sights.
For our purposes, there's leeway. For HD and general shooting, the standard stock of roughly 14 1/4" pull fits the mythical average guy of 5'9", medium build. I'm 6'2", heavy build,and shoot the standard stock well enough. I can also do acceptable work with the 13 1/2" Youth stock if I have to, tho the standard does work better with me.
For wingshooting, many folks would do better with a longer,straighter stock. On my bird 870, I've shimmed the stock a bit to reduce the drop about 1/4", which doesn't sound like much but moves the pattern maybe a foot at 25 yards.A longer recoil pad added a bit to the length, giving about a 14 1/2" pull.
Shotgun stocks are longer because they're pointed,not aimed, on flying/running targets. The length aids the swing and lead. Rifles are aimed,and a shorter stock is in order to better acquire the sights.
For our purposes, there's leeway. For HD and general shooting, the standard stock of roughly 14 1/4" pull fits the mythical average guy of 5'9", medium build. I'm 6'2", heavy build,and shoot the standard stock well enough. I can also do acceptable work with the 13 1/2" Youth stock if I have to, tho the standard does work better with me.
For wingshooting, many folks would do better with a longer,straighter stock. On my bird 870, I've shimmed the stock a bit to reduce the drop about 1/4", which doesn't sound like much but moves the pattern maybe a foot at 25 yards.A longer recoil pad added a bit to the length, giving about a 14 1/2" pull.
Patrick Graham
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houndawg
I'm just thinking out load here , I wonder if maybe it's the ammunition that made the 870 seem like it kicks harder. Not all magnum loads are equal. I've shot some Winchester primo 3 inch mags out of my mossy 500 that just about made me cry.
I'm just thinking out load here , I wonder if maybe it's the ammunition that made the 870 seem like it kicks harder. Not all magnum loads are equal. I've shot some Winchester primo 3 inch mags out of my mossy 500 that just about made me cry.
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