Which handguns to be banned in California?

I don't think ANY guns should be tested in the lab! Let private industry police themsleves, not some Beaureaucrat intent on controlling as many of us as possible.

The name brand manufacturers desire to produce the highest quality product possible while making a profit. Besides what about all of the people considered to be "poor" don't they too, deserve the right to buy a handgun for self-defense?

The less government, the better in every case. The Democrats seem to think we are idiots incapable of acting responsibly. If our past fifty years had been left up to some regulatory body, America would be a third-world country.

We are doing just fine in Texas without New York or California. If they want to create a perverted utopian socialist weirdo hatchery, fine. Kali and many other socialist republics in this nation need to mind their own affairs and leave the rest of us alone. History is repeating itslef right before our eyes and we don't even know it.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
Please don't misinterpret my explanation as agreement with any part of this law. I agree completely with what Will Beararms said...

except for the broad-brush California bashing in the last paragraph. Since when has California tried to impose its will or problems on Texas? If our stupid gun laws spread to other states, it will only be because people in THOSE states voted for them. Or the people of the U.S. allow more federal restrictions to be passed.

It does get a little old being a conservative, gun-owning Californian and having to live will all the restrictions on our constitutional rights AND hear people in other states gripe on gun forums as if somehow California gun-owners are the cause of the problem. Would the situation improve if all gun owners just moved out of California and gave up the fight completely?

Doug
 
Mendocino,

I didn't mean to offend. I am merely frustrated by how bit by bit, little by little our 2nd amendment rights keep getting whittled away.

I know we are all lobbying etc w/ our congressmen senators, etc. It just seems like such an uphill battle


Orso
 
Hey Doug,

I like 99% in California, you guys are fun-loving, health concious folks by in large. I also love the landscape of New York State and find the people outside of NYC to be great individuals.

Lest I forget about the log in my eye before I comment on the splinter in yours let me make this clear.

The small percentage of political prostitutes begging for money from the Hollywood Elite and East Coast limo liberals are ruining parade for everyone. I can't control what they do in other parts of the country but I can have a voice in Texas.

I was terse in using a broad brush but there may come a point in time where some States say no Washington, we don't want your highway money, we don't want your education money, we'll raise taxes here and to heck with your most recent version of Federalism. And by the way, we are shutting down your federal prisons while we are at it. I know this sounds crazy but I got the idea from former Govenor Edwin Edwards when the Feds were forcing LA to perform abortions in State Hospitals or give up all Federal funding. (LA is very Catholic and to this day that is a sore spot.) I don't want to debate Edwards' character or abortion right now but I think all will agree that Washington needs to worry about it's own problems and leave the States alone. I am afraid if we keep getting these California initiatives and New York infringements, the next Democratic Congress may try to force gun control down our throats like Congress did with the 55 mph speed limit.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
 
9 x 45 may be right that the trigger safety will qualify, but California is not bound by the BATF's determination. They can decide for themselves it doesn't meet the requirement, and I bet there are some politicians mad at Glock for not signing the S & W agreement who will try that.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mendocino:
Stop generalizing that all Californians are sheeple.[/quote]

This is a very important point. Together we stand divided we fall.
 
I can't wait for guns to be outlawed in California. This will be great! It will benefit us in two ways. First, criminals will probably move there in droves for the career opportunities available there and secondly when the the crime rate goes through the roof like it has in England and Australia, we can use it a as an example of why gun control laws are a cruel hoax. Bring it on.

TEX
 
TEX, you are probably joking, but I will be scared the day they are banned in CA. Because everything you said was absolutly right. Criminals will be the only ones with guns here. And they will have a field day and it will be one of those "I told you so" situations. The people who got guns banned in this state will be tied up and being robbed, and they are gonna wish they had a gun to defend thier family. But it will be too late. But, I hope guns are never banned in CA. But it looks like thats where it is heading.
 
If push comes to shove, and the gun owners in Kalif have to give up
their guns, there are two options:

1. Flee to another state/country
2. Fight back.

In Switzerland, we have fugitives of both sorts. I despise the first
sort, because they usually haven't even tried to preserve their
country.

OTOH, if all criminals go to Calif, just declare Calif an independent
nation and have them lose the possibility to get US citizenship back
soon. Problem solved, cleanly, efficiently, without human loss. Too
bad a few righteous souls will have to endure the consequences.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Southeners are all rednecks, New Yorkers are shysters, and while we're at it could someone please name 3 famous Canadians?

Meanwhile back at the ranch, could someone answer the original question; which will be banned? Or at least how can we find out which handgunsare endangered, under this new, nutty, 'let's compromise yet again', idiotic law?

(Even if you think it could NEVER happen in your State, and CA, by its liberal, corrupt self was responsible for passing the 30,000+ gun laws in the books that skirt around the 2nd amendment.)

DougB apparently went to the official web for
CA laws and in his commonsense interpretation of "manually operated safety device" concluded that Glocks, Kel-Tecs, WaltherP99, etc. would be history.

David Berkowitz points out that 'etc.' includes Sigs, Rugers and Berettas as well as 1911 Kimbers without a firing pin block.

9x45 is more optimistc. The drop test is the same Mass. has had for years, and the intent is to eliminate Lorcin 'and other junk' plus the BATF has recognized Glock as having a tigger that conforms with their 'safety' standards.

I'm afraid I have to agree with RFC. Just because the BATF printed something saying that Glocks are cool, does not mean CA will have to follow the BATF guidelines (or does it?) esp. if the politcos are pissed at Glock for not signing the S&W agreement.

And what about the others.(Ruger, Sig,Berettas, etc, etc, etc.)

So who do we ask?

1 The BATF? 'Hi , if Janet's not keeping you busy at present, would you please tell me if..."

2. The NRA?

3. Glock, Sig, Ruger and the other Mfg which could be affected?

It'd be nice to get a straight answer.

United we stand, divided...

[This message has been edited by DocHolliday (edited July 08, 2000).]
 
We are already divided, most just don't know it yet. What do you think would happen if the Feds mandated a Kali or NY law in Texas or Georgia?

Kali put the fork in the road, not us.

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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."

[This message has been edited by Will Beararms (edited July 08, 2000).]
 
heh heh, you guys probably dont know about the dead kennedys, but if you dont mind punk rock, you should look up their song california uber alles...it was written a while ago, but it applies all the more now.

damn california.....lucky for me im in michigan.....
 
As California is first, everyone else may follow. It is a sign of the times, fellow gun enthusiasts, but look around you, and what do you see? More and more clubs opening? or more and more closing.... I have property in Arizona and Texas, and I don't see the enthusiasm and alliance among pistol, rifle and shotgunners that is neccesary for all to enjoy the sport. We are few, and 'they' are many. I do everything that I can to change that: free basic handgun course once a month, volenteer for Junior NRA 4 times a year, and recruit everyone who will listen.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DocHolliday:
...and while we're at it could someone please name 3 famous Canadians?[/quote]

Wayne Gretzky, John M. Garand, John Candy
 
I know of the 2 Johns, Garand and Candy, but who the heck is Wayne Gretsky? ;)

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Just one of the Good Guys
 
Phoenix only has more gun shops now than they ever have.

And, the shooting sports I am involved in are growing, not shrinking.
Women are the biggest growing market.

There are actually very few anti-gun bigots, but they are just really loud.


Ps- Brian Adams and Celine Dion are from Canada (learned that on South Park). And, I believe that Rosie O'Donnel is from Canada at some point in her life? So is Jim Carey from Canada, I believe. I must say though, most (I said MOST) Canadians I have met are not better than Brits. Very happy to tell us how to run our country.



[This message has been edited by DerGlockenpooper (edited July 10, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeffer:
This is a very important point. Together we stand divided we fall.
[/quote]

I know this should be in Legal and Political but...

Does this include liberals and (Oh gasp, gays) who shoot? :)

On topic however, I was interested to read what various usenet groups were saying about this the newest insult to our rights.

Oh, and anyone who doesn't think California hasn't been starting trends in law that run rampant across the nation hasn't been following the judicial reports too well (beats the heck out of baseball weekly)

Link to the usenet posts:
http://www.deja.com/dnquery.xp?ST=MS&QRY=california+handgun+ban&svcclass=dncurrent&DBS =2


[This message has been edited by mowgli (edited July 10, 2000).]
 
re: "While I agree with most of what Jay said, I don't think we should give the liberals too much credit, or count all major religions as the enemy..."

FYI: The Protestant Church is already on record as saying handguns should be BANNED. They also have a platform, I believe, which states that people should not use deadly force in self-defense even if their lives are in mortal danger, e.g. a woman being raped and in danger of being murdered. The Methodists have something similar on record.

Of course, I think that's a load of Brown 29. My God doesn't expect us to turn a blind eye to our assailant when it means being murdered.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> The Protestant Church is already on record as saying handguns should be BANNED. [/quote]

"The" protestant church? I believe there are a few hundred protestant denominations, not to mention Catholics, Mormons (like me), Jews, Muslims, etc. Just because one religious leader, or even entire sect, makes an anti-gun statement, don't assume that represents all protestants. That's almost like saying: "Americans think guns should be banned because President Clinton said so and he's their leader."

Doug
 
There is a good possibility that all handguns will be eventually banned. The ammunition supply will go first, then gun sales will be outlawed or taxed into non existence. There are not enough interested children to ensure the preservation of this and other rights into the future.
Popularity rules the lives of most people and there is little of that in the ownership of guns or skill at arms.


[This message has been edited by Zensho (edited July 11, 2000).]
 
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