Which Do You Prefer?

I thank Tony, for In-Lines

IIRC, inlines were pioneered by some Iowans that wanted to hunt elk in Colorado,
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This is somewhat biased and the main reason is because Tony Knight, from Centerville, did not appreciate what some folks were doing to SideLocks, like mounting scopes, lasers, bending hammers and other deformities. You still see these "butchered" SideLocks which have less value that any MML. All this was done in the name of improving performance and to address this need, Toney Knight came out with his MML and we traditionalists should thank him. .... :rolleyes:

The OP asked for input on our personal preference and as usual, some of us take the opportunity to bash what they truly do not understand. Comparing one to the other is like comparing apples to oranges. Just like the NMLRA, I promote Muzzleloaders. ... Period !! :p

I teach but don't promote MML's and will never stop teaching my SideLocks. .:)

Be Safe !!!
 
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Nipples belong elsewhere than on a rifle, huh ? . :D

When I started deer hunting with a frontstuffer (in the 1960's), hammerguns WERE "modern muzzleloading". :eek:

However, I succumbed to the inline craze for a few years around Y2K, but became bored, and so went back to traditional frontstuffers about 12 years ago - but like capguns for their ease of use.



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I prefer traditional, but have a couple inlines too.

Armisport 1861 Springfield .58 cal percussion
Lyman Great Plains Rifle .50 cal flintlock
Lyman Great Plains Rifle .54 cal flintlock
Lyman Great Plains Rifle .54 cal percussion
Navy Arms Country Boy .50 cal inline percussion
Pedersoli Gamma 9000 .54 cal inline percussion
TC Hawken .54 cal percussion with a 2nd Green Mountain .32 cal barrel
Traditions Crockett .32 cal percussion
Traditions Shenandoah .50 cal flintlock

The Pedersoli is an odd duck... it's a beautiful wood stocked rifle resembling a modern bolt action hunting rifle, and, although it's an inline, it has a round ball twist of about 1:60. Information is practically non-existent - if you do a search on it, most of the hits will be me trying to find information on it.
 
Here's another odd one, neither inline nor what we normally think of as traditional. An underhammer 12 gauge trap gun that I use in trap matches. The thing hanging under the barrel is a B-Square barrel weight to balance out the Dead Mule recoil reducer inside the stock, and to add 8 more ounces of weight to the gun.

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Photo taken by Peter Lucas at the 2013 Red River Renegades Shotgun Soiree
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Well first and foremost I love my traditional muzzleloaders . that’s all I own .
A few corrections though . Tony Knight did not invent the inline muzzleloader
Not only were folks converting cartridge guns to muzzleloaders well before Tony came along . But the actual inline plunger ignition design dates to the very early 1700’s in flintlock and later cap lock before it morphed in to the needle gun and later center fire cartridge .
I myself built my first muzzleloader in 1977 . It was a converted O3A3
IE all I did was ,Breach the barrel and add a nipple to the center of the breech that was followed by spacing the bolt and firing pin .
Why ?/ well because i got the gun for 10.00 and I wanted a muzzleloader . since I was apprenticing I a gun shop at the time , the gunsmith taught me on that old 6 number Remington
What Tony did was apply a 280 year old ignition design to a modern stock that the public was familiar with . Then market and mass produce it as the MK 85 .

oh and the under hammer . its been around along time to , early part of the 1800's .
Texas put in orders for thier military , not long after becoming a republic . the design had been around for some time by them
 
Yes underhammer locks are historically correct, it's just that we didn't see them in Davy Crockett movies.

It's an ingeniously simple lock that uses the trigger guard as the main spring.

You see a lot of underhammers on the bench rest guns at Friendship. The fire from the cap has a straight path to the powder charge, it doesn't have to make a 90 degree turn in the drum or patent breech.

Also authentic is the box lock, it's like a modern inline but uses a rotary hammer to hit the cap, revolvers use a box lock design.
 
Toney still get smy Atta-Bot !!!

A few corrections though . Tony Knight did not invent the inline muzzleloader
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I went back and reviewed all the replies and could not find where anyone, including myself, gave credit to Toney Knight for the invention of the In-Line. Most of us know that technically, there were In-Line designs invented a long time ago. So long that I have never seen credit given to anyone. ...... :confused:

You obviously lost the spirit of what I was trying to communicate and that is that Toney Knight saw a need for his MML and did not appreciate what some folks were doing to their SideLocks, during the M/L renaissance period of the early 80's . Granted, he made money but give credit for his efforts, in regards to preserving traditional designs. .... :rolleyes:

Be Safe !!!
 
Traditional all the way for me. I just don't care for the thought of "inlines" - - sort of takes away from the history of front stuffers for me.

But . . . to each their own . . . we're all different and like different things. :)
 
I went back and reviewed all the replies and could not find where anyone, including myself, gave credit to Toney Knight for the invention of the In-Line
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never said you did Pahoo now did i.
however i would agree with your point of knowing about the issue . Tony didnt build the 85 because he didn’t like folks adding scopes and such on a side lock . he built it because he and a group of friends couldn’t figure out how to make a traditional side lock fire in crappy weather , issues with the hammers missing the scopes ………

But anyway im not going to argue the point with you as regardless the reasoning , he wasn’t the first , it wasn’t a new idea and frankly in the beginning nothing more then a very good marketing ploy.
I just like you support muzzleloaders. We just have a different opinion as to what a muzzleloader is .
Ill leave it at that as I sure no one really wants to hear me go on a anti inline rant , which im well known for doing .
So you be safe
 
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I vastly prefer trad & holy Black Powder!
I do own & understand the modern inline.
Ohio has been stuck with s.g. slugs, or muzzle loaders or handguns.
Lots of hunters went with inlines over the s.g. due to good accuracy, inexpensive ammo compared to sabot slugs, etc.
Ohio just allowed rifles in straight wall cgts, i.e. .357, .44 mag, .435 Colt,.444 Marlin, .45-70 7 so forth. Since I have Marlins in .357, .44 mag, .45 Colt & 45-70 I'll not need the inlines ever again so will sell 'em.
I'll be using my custom built flinters in muzzle loader late & early seasons.
I also have a Lyman cap lock in .54, a great trad rifle looking good enough to be an original. It's taken meat for me.
i'll be keeping my T/C Hawkens too as they serve my purposes just fine.
 
I only have the one CVA kit from many years ago. It's loads of fun.

Can't imagine getting dressed up like a voyageur with a modern in line.
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