Which calibers have been gaining and which have been waning?

And a overpenetration is better that someone blowing up the entire plane with a bomb. I was just trying to say that in MY OPINON there MIGHT be better choices than a .357 sig... maybe a subsonic 115 grn 9mm or a .380

Lets not hijack the thread now people. It was just somthing to think about.:)
 
Much of the reason is purely down to COST.

I'd love to shoot .45, .357mag, .40sw, .357sig all day but I can't afford to ....and i suspect that most people can't afford to either. Therefore, a cost cost caliber such as 9mm and .380 are the reason these are becoming popular IMO.
 
.357 sig, 9mm, .40, .45 could all pass through a target and hit an innocent in a crowded airplane. And rapid decompression of a plane in flight is always bad. It may not cause a crash but certainly can't help the situation. And a overpenetration is better that someone blowing up the entire plane with a bomb. I was just trying to say that in MY OPINON there MIGHT be better choices than a .357 sig... maybe a subsonic 115 grn 9mm or a .380.
Lets not hijack the thread now people. It was just somthing to think about.
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Without going through the vast combinations of bullet/powder for each cartridge, I'm just going to say that ANYTIME you're going to use a gun, you ALWAYS have to know what is behind your target. There's also not many hiding places in an airplane. That takes away point #1.

Please tell me via PM where you think there will be a rapid decompression of a plane in flight just because of bullet hoes. I don't normally mean to drift a thread off-topic, but this isn't an opinion based on facts and is not something that should be left alone for others to view and think it's right without correct information.

You're assessment of a rapid decompression of an airplane due to bullet holes is false. I will discontinue drifting this thread off-topic and start another thread for clarification and discussion. My apologies to the OP.
 
I have a question,so what i'm hearin is that a .380 and other such rounds are better than a .40 or even as good.I don't think i'll be trusting a 11.5 ounce gun that can only be handled with at max 3 fingers,like the ruger lcp or another .Nor do i see a real need for the .327 magnum.When i hunt i now use a .357 4 inch,before i used a 629 .44 mag

Here locally i've been seeing more and more .38/.357 snubbies and 9mm's going the most.As i see it there will always be the big 4,.38/.357/9mm/.45 and most others will come and or go.

Btw i love the .40 cal,no i haven't had to shoot some one with it but i'm sure at close range with good ammo the .40 cal and all of the rounds mentioned above will do the job and then some.
 
.357 sig on a plane
umm... not a caliber I want people shooting in a crowded cramped enviroment thats a thousand feet up and positivly pressurised.
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It was my understanding that Air Marshalls use frangible ammo.
 
Tuttle you have a PM.

To everyone else:
I was not saying that one caliber is better than any other or that bullet holes alone will cause rapid decompression in a plane.
I also was not saying that a subcompact pistol like the ruger lcp is preferable, but maybe a larger .380 acp pistol like the berretta 84 or a low velocity/weight 9mm round would be a good option.

I was simply surprised to hear that air marshals carry a .357 sig and was trying to prevoke some thought on the subject. Anyone that wants to continue with this topic feel free to PM me.
FT
 
Ya'll know that a bullet hole out the window of a plane doesn't cause explosive decompression, right? You need a hole a lot larger than even .45 ACP to do that.
 
Anybody who is keen on the .40 short and wimpy has never witnessed the aftermath of a shooting with one.
In my area where we have had numerous one shot stops with .45, .44 spl, .357 and 9mm we have yet to witness a single .40 caliber stopping power success. This includes LEO shootings and shootings where civillians shot each other or themselves.

If you depend on this worthless caliber, you might find out the hard way that trendy can get you killed.

But if you just cannot abide the voice of reason and just have to be trendy, look into a steel framed .40 caliber instead of plastic. That way, after you have shot somebody 11 times and he is still fighting, you can have a heavy, blunt object to hit him with.
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Here's another post in which you prove to the world that you lack even the most basic understanding of terminal ballistics. You need some serious "advice."

Instead of posting such blatantly WRONG information about the .40 S&W, why not try doing a bit of research about the subject first?

You might try this book, or the links in my signature. You do need some serious help if you are going to understand how service caliber bullets work.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/bulletpenetration.htm

Before simply grabbing an article out of the news and declaring to the world that it is "proof" to your pre-conceieved ideas, dig a little deeper into the mechanics and the details of each shooting instance.

Ask yourself:

Where was the subject hit? What was the track of the bullet? Were any vital structures within the body struck or disabled? Which load was used?

If the vital organs of the subject were not penetrated or disabled with a .40 S&W, would a hit with a larger caliber handgun bullet in the exact same place have made any difference?

Was the subject on any kind of drugs or just high on adreneline?

How would you explain the instances in which other service caliber handguns failed to stop a determined subject after numerous hits in the torso area?

How do you explain that the FBI has conducted ballistic tests and approved and issued the .40 S&W to their agents and that the .40 S&W generally has a very good track record among American police agencies?

This link might help:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi_10mm_notes.pdf

Please do some more serious research before showing the world what you don't understand.
 
What calibers have been gaining and which have been waning?

I missed this thread earlier so my 2 cents. This is based on reading gun rags and a couple of industry rags.

With one exception the most popular rounds in the U.S. are still the ones that were popular 50 years ago...

The one exception is the .40 S&W

In semis .22 L.R., 9mm, .45 acp the .40 S&W has joined them as the most sold.

The .380 has gained a bit going by new gun sales. The 10mm has held steady with just about anyone that makes a 1911 making one in 10mm. It may surprise some but Colt, STI, Wilson, Kimber all sell more guns in .38 Super than in 10mm. The old Super holds it's own. The .357 Sig is faltering.

In revolvers .22 LR always does well. The .38 Spl rules the roost with more of it sold than some of the others combined. .357 follows. .44 Mag holds steady. Some gain for the .44 Spl. .45 Colt holds steady. The .44 Spl and the .45 Colt each out sell the .41 Magnum but it sticks around and importantly shows no big loss. In the last decade even the 44-40 was revived due to cowboy action shooting.

Some of the newer rounds, both big (.500 S&W, etc.) and smaller (327 Magnum) have not made the impact some hoped for and may stick around or fall. Too soon to tell.

But with the exception of the .40 S&W no new round introduced has made a significant impact or knocked any of the older girls off their thrones.

tipoc
 
The .40 is an OUTSTANDING round and will be around longer than any of us will. The .45GAP is down but now out but will be and the .327mag is another one destined to loose
 
The Secret Service and Air Marshals use 125gr Gold Dots if you want go to my photobucket acct below to see the FBI Test Summary on the round its under writings sub directory FBI 1 thru 7
 
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