Which ammo of these will penetrate heavy skin and dense bone the best?

I really like a 180gr hardcast bullet from hornady and for the bear that might be the best , Used on hogs alot but for a big catit would be a barnes x bullet like in corbons dpx and several others. It will give deep penatration and typical twice the diameter with no loss of bullet wieght. Most companies now load this round under there house names but if it is a solid hp copper bullet it is a barnes x type. I would not take the sig. Only a revolver with heavist loads you cam get.
 
xtp

I have recovered Hornandy XTP bullets from whitetail deer (357 mag and 45 acp) and there was barely any expansion but both penetrated well into the carcass. Both had to be tracked but both were 1 shot kills.
 
Thats the reason i like the barnes x bullets. I to have had expantion problems years ago with bullets that are still used today in some of the stadard hp rounds. I hate try'n to find a deer at dusk. Shoot at a front shoulder and problem cured. Heart shoots will more than likely go through but with a large upset in the bullet of around 3/4" with a 357mag if it stays inside to find.
 
Forget HP's for bear!! I would order some Garrett's hard cast semi-wadcutters. I think it is; www.garrettcartridges.com Interesting reading. If that is the wrong site do a search, it is worth it.
I can not believe anyone would be in mountain lion country unarmed especially after seeing one.
 
Since you are not speaking of hunting but of defense against an animal after your dogs or camp food...Personally I'd go with the .357 in your case any decent hunting load will do for the mountain lion. A minimum of 158 gr. for the black bear with a heavier faster bullet being preferred for the latter.

The .357 Sig would work on the cougar and possibly the bear. But I consider it marginal for the latter.

tipoc
 
When carrying a semi-auto and using factory loads and when penetration is the extreme objective, I would opt for hardball bullets.
 
Gonna go against the grain here and suggest the Hornady XTP's. They don't expand like a sd hp and offer good penetration. I've taken deer, bear, hogs and other game with XTP's with my 454 Casull. These things go right thru bones and keep on trucking.
 
This may be a surprise

Gelatin tests from the book Stopping Power by Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow:
44 Mag. 240 gr. JSP-FP 29''
45 acp 230 FMJ 30.5''
.357 Mag 158 gr. JSP-FP 31.0''
.375 Mag 180 gr. SWC 37.6''
.357 Sig 125 gr. FMJ-FP 38.5''
 
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Which ammo of these will penetrate heavy skin and dense bone the best?
I would love some double tap or buffalo bore but at the moment am unable to find any.
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Depending upon the law in your state, you can order ammo directly from DoubleTap. I have on a few occasions in the last 6 months and they have gotten the ammo to be within 2 weeks.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=b88beba05d4b7d05e1736c7b154800bb

I have the book Handgun Stopping Power and it is faulty in its methodology. I would not take it as a credible source. Disregarding reports that the authors had some interest in cooking the results, they failed to consider the bullet's path through the target. Their conclusion that the entry wound was the totality of shot placement is lacking, for it disregards the angle of encounter and path within the body. They solely looked at whether one shot stopped an encounter. They considered any threat not stopped with one shot a failure. They therefore did not consider whether two shots stopped an encounter or three.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/marshall-sanow-discrepancies.htm
The above link is a cogent critique of Handgun Stopping Power.

However, having said the foregoing; for CDW4ME's purposes of showing relative penetration, it is useful.
 
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Fish, hike, and camp with a girlfriend no less

These guys know more about the ammo but you take care of that girlfriend. She's definitely a keeper.
 
....actually hollowpoint is better for bone penetration in defensive handgun calibers.
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HPs do not penetrate anything as much as plain, ol' solid bullets, anywhere, anyway, anyhow. They dump energy when they expand. Thus, they're going slower with a larger frontal area when they do hit any bone. Think of a woman's spike heel on summertime asphalt. It sinks right in. A normal heel on the same person won't.
 
i never said anything about solid bullets. i said FMJ, and they are proven to bounce off bone in many real world shootings for many years. looks like you dont know half as much about bullets and balistics as you thought you did...


go read some more gello tests so when you get atttacted by a block of gello you will be all set...

:D
 
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