Which .454...Ruger or Taurus?

Easy one, Ruger.

In developing their guns, Taurus evolved from the S&W design and cheapened it. Externally there's a few comestic changes, but on the inside is where you'll see the difference.

On the other hand, Ruger overengineers their gun to sustain a lot of hard usage. They generally get things right the first time.

BTW, I shot a Ruger and after about three rounds, my wrists (small as they are), were shot. It was too much pounding for me. Even the folks at the factory wonder at the public and ask themselves, "Why would anyone want to buy one?" Some folks are just plain tough or enjoy punishment.
 
I just purchased a Ruger and am quite pleased with it. On the subject of punishment to the shooter, you have to pace yourself. If you are new to the cartridge you don't want to start with the 300 grainers@ 1600fps type loads. Unless you have already completely mastered the full range of 44 magnum loads available, you shouldn't bother with a Casull, Taurus, Ruger, FA or otherwise. You have to build up. With time, practice and patience it can be done. When I first started off in the shooting game I had to have a 44 mag Dirty Harry gun-6.5" SW model 29. Just had to have one-still got it too, by the way- and being the rookie idiot I was and not knowing any better I bought a box of Federal 240 grain jacketed hollow point ammo. Keep in mind, I had no idea about the true power range of the 44 magnum. To make a long story short, that particular load was a tad on the warm side and my first session with my beloved Dirty Harry gun was almost my last. Not a pleasant afternoon indeed. Fortunately, my uncle intervened and introduced me to handloading. Starting with 44 special level loads, I gradually eased into the thunder zone. I think many people are diving into the 454 game without a full understanding of the animal they are dealing with. It can be mastered, but it does take time.
 
I totally agree with mobias.

Most of my .454 loads for my Ruger are in the heavy .44 Mag or .45 Colt range, 300 grain bullets at 1300 to 1400 fps. With these, 50 -75 rounds at a session is within my personal tolerances. I'm getting used to the gun, and to this level of recoil, and will move up slowly.
 
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MR Misan check out this article on Ruger steel. Your loads would not even make it blink.

Big guns need strong steel
By Joseph Ogando, Materials and Fastening Editor
Gunmaker zeroes in on aerospace alloys
to toughen its latest product
Newport, NH-Anyone who decides to shoot a bear with a handgun has two overwhelming concerns. Not missing is really, really important. And so is having a gun with some stopping power since angry bears are unlikely to be gracious about a flesh wound.
The Super Redhawk .454 from Sturm Ruger has nothing if not stopping power. One of the most powerful six-shooters in the world, this revolver shoots a .454 Casull cartridge that packs about 50% more power than a 44 magnum. It's a cartridge that straddles a fine line between bullet and bomb. For the shooter, all this extra muscle translates to a gun that, in the right hands, can drop a bear, elk or other large animal at a distance up to 200 yards. For the engineers who worked on the Super Redhawk, the added power forced them to expand their arsenal of gun steels.
Ruger Chief Engineer Steven Perniciaro points out that the .454 Casull goes off with the highest chamber pressures (62,000 psi) of any handgun on the market. Those pressures-and the resulting stresses-triggered a tightening of strength and fracture-toughness requirements that ruled out the 410 stainless that Ruger successfully uses for smaller guns. "Type 410 stainless just wasn't as strong as we would have liked," Perniciaro says.
Looking for a material that could stand up to the .454, Ruger's engineers decided to give specialty alloys a shot. They constructed the Super Redhawk's cylinder and barrel from alloys that Carpenter Technology Corp. (Reading, PA) first developed for aerospace applications.
Six-shot cylinder. The Super Redhawk's pressure-driven strength requirements are most apparent in its cylinder, which is based on a Ruger 44 magnum. "We decided to scale up and 'ruggedize' our 44 platform rather than reinvent the wheel," Perniciaro says. The scale-up lets shooters move up to a larger caliber with only minimal gain in gun size and weight, and it sets the six-shot Super Red Hawk apart from every other gun in its class. "All the other .454's on the market only have five shots," Perniciaro says. But expanding an existing 44 magnum cylinder also presented a design challenge that intensified the strength requirements for the gun steel. Because the new cylinder has the same OD and bolt center of its 44 magnum forerunner, the wall sections between chambers thinned in proportion to the increase in caliber-or about 25%. As Perniciaro sums up, "The cylinder material had to withstand higher pressures with thinner walls."
Making matters worse, industry practice requires that new gun designs be tested with "proof loads" that generate more than 140% of the chamber pressure experienced in real-world firing conditions. According to Perniciaro, this safety factor means that the Super Redhawk's cylinder actually needed to withstand pressures up to 93,500 psi-greater than the 65,000 psi the gun will see in service and dramatically higher than the 36,000 psi typical with a 44 magnum.
Proof-load tests on a prototype Super Redhawk made from 410 stainless revealed that its first choice would get the cylinder into the safety zone. "410 was strong enough for actual firing conditions but not for the tests," Perniciaro reports. So Ruger produced a cylinder from Carpenter's Custom 465, a martensitic alloy with an ultimate tensile strength of 260 ksi at peak aging. "It passed the tests with no problems," he says, adding that the gun has been out in the field for about a year with no problems.
Looking down the barrel. The 454's extra power also translated to new requirements not just for added strength in the barrel but also for wear and corrosion resistance. Perniciaro explains that impact force and high-velocity gases tend to erode the barrel at the bullet's entry point. This "throat slamming effect" intensifies with cartridge size and velocity.
Doubly concerned about strength and throat slamming, Ruger engineers quickly ruled out 410 stainless steel despite its strong track record on Ruger's smaller revolvers. "After thousands of rounds, we thought we'd see some throat erosion with the 410," Perniciaro notes. The designers next considered conventional 15Cr-5Ni stainless steel (15-5), which met all the design requirements but one. "It was a bear to machine," says Perniciaro. Gun drilling a 0.480 in. diam. hole in a 1.25 inch OD, 19-in.-long bar took 28 minutes in 15-5-a huge productivity tradeoff compared to the 17.27 minutes it takes to machine a comparable barrel from 410. Ruger ultimately met its design and productivity goals with Project 7000, a 15Cr-5N stainless designed specifically for machinability. "Project 7000 let us match the cycle time of 410," Perniciaro says.
Based on this first use of aerospace alloys, Perniciaro predicts a growing role for a host of non-traditional metals whose strength-to-weight ratios will let Ruger's engineers do an even better job at balancing the power, size, and heft of smaller firearms. "New materials will help us to push the limits of handgun design," he says.
Design News 10/16/2000
 
I held a Ruger .454 today with the 5 1/2 barrel and it was mamoth. It could be my next purchase, and I really liked the Grey finish. Also held a Taurus .454 and there was just no comparison. Get the Ruger.

Mike
 
Posted a question similar to this on GlockTalk in the wheelhouse, no response.

This thread answered my questions and I bought a 7.5" Super Redhawk today. Will shoot tomorrow.

Thanks for the great info, even though it wasn't intended for me :D
 
RE: Big guns need strong steel By Joseph Ogando, Materials and Fastening Editor


Hmm. Things to think about... good to know. Would probably change my decision process if I was buying one now.

But of course I had mine almost 10 years and had been coresponding with Dick Casull before Ruger came out with theirs... plus I have a .45ACP cylinder for it just for fun.


So there. Neayh neayh neayh. :P
 
454 ruger vs taurus

I have a RUGER 454 and love it . As far as the triger goes its just like any other gun shoot it and it will break in. My thought is that you should put a couple thousand rnds through a gun and break it in before you think of having a triger job done. Mine is now smooth as silk. I would rather spend the money on reloading components and shoot it in than give it to a gunsmith. Also I agree that you should work up on this cartrige . Start with mild 45LC loads and work up as a day at the range with full house 454's can be punnishing. Use the Taurus for a boat anchor or a door stop. A guy I know bought one and it shaves lead like crazy . It will cut you up firing it he said . He sent it back to the factory and it still does the same thing so now it's for sale at the local shop.
 
I think the SRH rules the roost. My son inherited my 44 SRH when I bought my 454 he is a SRH junky now too. I sometimes miss that gun when he out shoots me with it. They are just damn fine guns.:D
My friend has a Taurus 44 that is a helluva shooter. I guess any gun maker can put out a lemon.
 
After a year of being rode hard and put up wet, my 7 1/2" SBH is doing fine. While IT has handled higher, the hunting load where this operator drew the line is 300g XTP at around 1525 fps.
 
I've been a Ruger fan for ...well, most of my life, and I own 3 Ruger firearms and 1 Taurus. That one Taurus is a .454 Raging Bull and it's one heck of a gun. Say what you will about 'em, but the one I have is a fantastic shooter and I've had absolutely no quality issues with it since purchasing it new 5 years ago.
 
I have personally spoken to 3 different local people who've had serious problems with the Raging Bull. The Taurus gun, from what I understand, is limited to shooting only current factory pressure ammo. Freedom Arms stopped producing ammo several years ago, but it can still be encountered at gun shows and such. If you shoot this ammo (i.e., the real full powered ammo Freedom Arms guns were designed to shoot) out of a Taurus, there's a pretty good chance the thing will explode, or at least come out of time and develop serious end shake in no time.

So, I'd also have to say go with the Ruger.

The following information has been gathered second hand over the years, from sources I deem reliable:

In order to demonstrate the extreme strength of his new revolver, Dick Casull would load up a case full of Unique and seat a bullet on top. The guns held together. I have no idea what kind of pressures this would generate, and DO NOT attempt it.

The article given says that the Ruger guns were designed to handle proof loads at around 91,000 psi. In the early days of duplex and triplex loads, people using Freedom Arms guns considered loads in the 100,000 psi range standard. It may or may not say something about the relative strengths of these guns.
 
i have to say i have a raging bull, i like it a lot, i bought it about 4-5 years ago and am very happy with it.

the only problem i have ever had firing very high power loads through it was that the primers actually backed out locking the cylinder up. requiring that you pound the heck out of the cylinder to free it up. I have no clue what brand of ammo it was but it was very hot and came in a blue and silver/grey box. other than that i have never had a problem.

i do have a ruger srh in 44 mag and it is a very nice gun, but i think that the grips on raging bull are a bit better at absorbing on the butt end. plus the bull is a better feeling gun but then again they are both pretty nice

jmho
 
the only problem i have ever had firing very high power loads through it was that the primers actually backed out locking the cylinder up. requiring that you pound the heck out of the cylinder to free it up. I have no clue what brand of ammo it was but it was very hot and came in a blue and silver/grey box.

:D
Nickolas-
That was Freedom Arms ammo that I mentioned above. I used it all the time, and the ammo is not the problem. ;) After speaking with a few other folks who've tried this, I think you're a bit lucky the gun wasn't damaged. I don't believe it's correct to say this was "hot" ammo. At the time, when Freedom Arms were basically the only ones around producing .454 revolvers, this was standard ammo. Current factory ammo is just watered down.

Case in point-
The latest issue of Guns & Ammo has Ruger's new Alaskan model .454 on the cover. The author said he was a little worried about the recoil, but after testing it, said it wasn't bad at all. Then I saw the ballistics. He was using Winchester medium loads that were basically warm .45 Colts- a 250 grain bullet at around 1300 fps, as I recall. If he'd been pushing those bullets around 2000 fps like the cartrige is capable of, he might have changed his tune.
 
I still think that a 5-shot cylinder in a Freedom Arms gun with a non-super-duper alloy but thicker walls, will hold up to heavier monster loads than a 6-shot SRH with wunder-steel and thinner cylinder walls. But, surely the SRH will easily contain any and all factory loads and then some, so it's a moot point unless you double charge or some such.
 
I own a Ruger 454 and I reload. If you are not use to shooting magnums leave the 454 alone. If you do buy a 454 stick to loads in a reloading manuel.

There are too many people trying to use reloads to make a caliber into something its not.
 
Good point. .454, even with factory loads, is a heck of a lotta gun. No point blowing half your torso off trying to push the envelope, it's already being pushed quite well!
 
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