Where To Get A Reliable AK-47 in .223?
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Center fire has good deal on 223/5.56 AK's
I would buy one, but I have a lot invested in my MINI 14 magazines... I would rater get another mini 14, then a whole new system to maintain.
the cool thing is the AK 223/5.56 looks a lot like a MINI 14
http://centerfiresystems.com/SAI-223-110.aspx
I would buy one, but I have a lot invested in my MINI 14 magazines... I would rater get another mini 14, then a whole new system to maintain.
the cool thing is the AK 223/5.56 looks a lot like a MINI 14
http://centerfiresystems.com/SAI-223-110.aspx
Saiga!
Whether .223, 7.62x39, .308, 5.45x39, or 12 gauge, take a look at the Saigas. They're civilianized AKs made in Russia to high quality standards. They're also inexpensive. Prices lately have dropped to just under $300 for .223, 7.62x39 and 5.45x39.
They can be converted in your basement back to original AK configuration (minus the full-auto, of course) using readily available US made parts for less than $200. No special skills and only minimal tools required. Checkout the forum at saiga12.com for details. Several vendors who post at that forum can provide new Saigas.
I've not converted mine. Like 'em as they came; plus they don't draw unwanted attention here in anti-gun NYS.
Whether .223, 7.62x39, .308, 5.45x39, or 12 gauge, take a look at the Saigas. They're civilianized AKs made in Russia to high quality standards. They're also inexpensive. Prices lately have dropped to just under $300 for .223, 7.62x39 and 5.45x39.
They can be converted in your basement back to original AK configuration (minus the full-auto, of course) using readily available US made parts for less than $200. No special skills and only minimal tools required. Checkout the forum at saiga12.com for details. Several vendors who post at that forum can provide new Saigas.
I've not converted mine. Like 'em as they came; plus they don't draw unwanted attention here in anti-gun NYS.
The .223 and 7.62x39 Saigas are about as accurate as the Mini-14/30. My .223 is a little more accurate than my late '80s Mini 14 Ranch Rifle and maybe slightly less accurate than my newest (581 series?) Mini 14....at less than half the price.
The .308 Saiga is a whole 'nother animal, however. Unlike the smaller rifles, they have a 3-lug bolt head and it definitely helps accuracy. With handloads it likes, Mine shoots 1.5 MOA 100 yard groups.
I like Minis, but the Saiga's got it beat in the bang for the buck dept.
The .308 Saiga is a whole 'nother animal, however. Unlike the smaller rifles, they have a 3-lug bolt head and it definitely helps accuracy. With handloads it likes, Mine shoots 1.5 MOA 100 yard groups.
I like Minis, but the Saiga's got it beat in the bang for the buck dept.
bamaranger
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me
For me, an AK is in x39 or the 5.45 alternative. Just seems "right". For sure, magazines for the x39 variety, are widely available, and I suspect a
.223 AK mag is NOT.
For me, an AK is in x39 or the 5.45 alternative. Just seems "right". For sure, magazines for the x39 variety, are widely available, and I suspect a
.223 AK mag is NOT.
bamaranger
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Oh yeah
There are those that believe the tapered Russian cases extract more easily than the straight walled .223, lending to the AK reputation of brick like reliability.
There are those that believe the tapered Russian cases extract more easily than the straight walled .223, lending to the AK reputation of brick like reliability.
tahunua001
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as far as 223 AKs I think your going to be looking at either the saiga or the galil clones that century sells(I dont know where golanis are made). saigas are about the most respected AK clones on the market and galils are considered by many to be the perfected version of an AK. I've never shot either nor cared for either. if I want to shoot a 5.56/223 I'll shoot an AR but that is just bias on my part due to a preference to the AR platform. if I want to shoot a 7.62x39 I will shoot an AK. but that's just my opinion and it's worth exactly what you paid for it
DE Shooter
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+1 Saiga; I had a Saiga (older EAA) .223 and sold it...no more accurate than my 7.62x39 Saiga. And, the .223 mags are harder to come by and more $. As soon as I find a good deal on a Saiga 5.45x39, I''l get one.
deadduck357
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Arsenal Inc. there should be one here you like
deadduck357
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As far as I know Arsenal doesn't and or hasn't converted any Saiga .223(5.56), yet anyway. If they do I will get one asap. Arsenal's SLR-106's(.223,5.56) are Bulgarian. *Which by the way are very fine AK's. My FR has been great.
Ive got a Norinco AK in .556 Nato to go with my AR 15 for one common round, and with more different types of ammo available. With open sites at 100yds my AK shoots as well as my AR 15. In fact I now shoot my AK alot more than my AR and its not as high maintenance as my AR or as I make it out to be-ha! Although I dont like ProMags for pistols, their AK .223/.556 for 20 bucks are excellent polymer mags for this round and are easily available and count as three parts to the 922 compliance.
CraCZ, I tried the Pro Mag route in my Saiga .223 with no luck at all. I bought 6 for $99 from Sportsman’s Guide. The little tab for the bullet guide on one of the 6 was broken off before I even took it out of the plastic bag. I loaded 3 rounds in another mag and test fired. First round worked, second jammed. The bullet guide tab broke on the first round fed. Similar results with the next mag. I sent them back and got a refund.
I now have 4 Sure Fire mags and one SMG Tactical mag. Hundreds of rounds later, and they are still working fine.
I now have 4 Sure Fire mags and one SMG Tactical mag. Hundreds of rounds later, and they are still working fine.
If you want 223/5.56, then get an AR. If you want an AK, get an x39. I just picked up a 5.45x39 Saiga from J&G. Very nice price. I believe the 223 and 7.62 are also available for $299.
If you want suggestions, you need to say what you want to do with your rifle?
It seems like you want an AK pattern. If that's the case, by sticking with the x39 cartridges, you'll have fewer mag frustrations. I was liking the 5.45x39 in an AR but figured I'd have fewer feeding problems in an AK and the mags are much easier to find.
If you want suggestions, you need to say what you want to do with your rifle?
It seems like you want an AK pattern. If that's the case, by sticking with the x39 cartridges, you'll have fewer mag frustrations. I was liking the 5.45x39 in an AR but figured I'd have fewer feeding problems in an AK and the mags are much easier to find.
I own an SAR-3 Romanian AK style in 5.56. I'm not sure if they are still available, I bought it 10+ years ago. It has a mounting "lug" (for lack of a better term) on the side of the receiver that allows it to mount optics (with a special mount of course). I believe I paid around $300, again, over a decade ago. I have a lot more money in furniture, folding stock, and magazines invested in it now. Thinking about selling it to try an AR style rifle, never owned one of those so I might give it a try.
5.45 Shooter
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The Siaga from Centerfire will be a little better than the Mini-14 but not as good as the AR-15.
I would tell from first hand experience go with the AK74 it is far more accurate than the AK47, equal to the .223 Siaga & the ammo is way cheaper than dirt. It puts fun back in the gun.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct911.aspx
It is only 10 to 11 cents if you buy in bulk.
Here is a link to buy from to get it cheap.
http://www.usarmorycorps.com/index....n=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53&vmcchk=1&Itemid=53
I would tell from first hand experience go with the AK74 it is far more accurate than the AK47, equal to the .223 Siaga & the ammo is way cheaper than dirt. It puts fun back in the gun.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct911.aspx
It is only 10 to 11 cents if you buy in bulk.
Here is a link to buy from to get it cheap.
http://www.usarmorycorps.com/index....n=com_virtuemart&Itemid=53&vmcchk=1&Itemid=53
How could it be better then the MINI 14. Did you run them in simulated battle conditions like nutnfancy and produce any data points to back that up?
The mini 14 beat both AR ad AK in nutnfnacy's run...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fk84KLiaa4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPgJ_ec3Fs
Nutn's comments:
A key attractant to the Mini-14 system is the amount of reliability, durability, and now accuracy provided by such a cost-effective platform. The AR-15 and SGL31 turn in impressive runs as well and remain outstanding high-value options in their type. But round for round, run for run, the Mini-14 matches them here and turns in an outstanding run other types will struggle to match. Small, compact, light, accurate-enough, and tough: the Mini-14 stands tough against the world! /////////// Music: Torley Wong at www.torley.com, Jason Shaw at audionautix.com ////////// Note: This was not the Sledgehammer Drill in totality but incorporated many of the elements of it.
The mini 14 beat both AR ad AK in nutnfnacy's run...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fk84KLiaa4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKPgJ_ec3Fs
Nutn's comments:
A key attractant to the Mini-14 system is the amount of reliability, durability, and now accuracy provided by such a cost-effective platform. The AR-15 and SGL31 turn in impressive runs as well and remain outstanding high-value options in their type. But round for round, run for run, the Mini-14 matches them here and turns in an outstanding run other types will struggle to match. Small, compact, light, accurate-enough, and tough: the Mini-14 stands tough against the world! /////////// Music: Torley Wong at www.torley.com, Jason Shaw at audionautix.com ////////// Note: This was not the Sledgehammer Drill in totality but incorporated many of the elements of it.