Where is the NRA when you need them?

Dalton Bros.

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At meetings of gun clubs, shooting sports organizations and Second Amendment advocacy groups across Missouri, a disturbing topic has been discussed in recent months. It seems that over a period of time, our Missouri Department of Conservation has slowly but surely implemented decisions that indicate a prejudice against the shooting sports.

While this would seem almost unbelievable given the purpose of the MDC and its natural dependence on revenue from hunting and fishing licenses, subtle and not so subtle hints reveal a pattern of policy making which marginalizes hunting and shooting sports while emphasizing other outdoor activities that do not involve firearms.

Budget cuts have targeted the manned shooting range programs, state youth competitions and the volunteer program for Hunter Education instructors.

The MDC functions under the direction of commissioners appointed by the Governor, who serve six year terms. Two of the six commissioners are due to change this year, and its very important that the incoming commissioners are committed to both hunting and shooting sports.
 
And just what are YOU doing about the problem?
The NRA is composed of members who do a lot of the work.

Step and and do something yourself instead of complaining about the problem.
 
Maybe you should email the NRA and ask them about it hmm? Just because it isn't plastered all over the front page that they're fighting it doesn't mean that they aren't doing something. Or maybe you would be the first to bring it to their attention. I love how people jump all over the NRA every time they hear about something like this. Well where is the NSSF? No one ever talks crap about them. The NRA can't do everything for everyone, we have to help too.

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but this is kind of a pet peeve of mine.
 
brickeyee said:
And just what are YOU doing about the problem? The NRA is composed of members who do a lot of the work. Step and and do something yourself instead of complaining about the problem.

brickeyee......my thoughts exactly.....Some of these people must think the NRA is like a fire department, bus loads of lawyers waiting for 911 calls and alarms to sound. If there are any similarities to a fire station, it's that the (NRA) fire fighters are all volunteers...
 
Dalton, the responses here are correct. You will have to step up to the plate if you expect any action. The good folks in Kalifornia thought that the NRA would help them- wrong, the NRA didn't even bother to show up. The same thing is happening all across the US and the NRA- well, they're trying to find more folks to give more money. You're on your own bud- deal with it. And you thought that the NRA was protecting your gun rights, yeah, and pigs fly, Corvettes make great submarines, and Rosie O'Donell is an astronaut. It's all about the money.
I wonder how long this will take before it turns political and ends up CLOSED.
 
Anon, I agree but would also like to ad, enacting self serving legislation and patting themselves on the back for sticking a knife in their members'.
 
Where is the NRA when you need them?
They're busy supporting a bill to end bans on carrying guns openly in Missouri.

They're supporting four different pro-gun measures in the Missouri House and Senate.

They're working to repeal Missouri’s outdated "permit to acquire" a handgun (PTA) law.

They're pushing for a "Castle Doctrine" law in Missouri.

Oh - And they're working on getting the Missouri Hunting Heritage Protection Area Act passed. It was heard in committee this past week along with the Castle Doctrine bill.

Take a look at this page and then come back here and tell me that NRA hasn't been doing anything in Missouri. That goes for the rest of you that think they just raise money to keep themselves going. What has the NRA done in your state?

-Dave
 
BluesMan.....

That was a friggin' excellent post!

I love when someone makes their point, backed up with facts and references. Very nicely done!

I jumped in with sarcasm, goofing on a good organization. You came in with the facts.
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Incidentally, guys, and appropos of nothing much, today I was at a hearing for a "gun show loophole" bill in Olympia, Washington. One of the Ceasefire people supporting this nasty bill testified, in part (this is from memory and not verbatim), "There are X million gun owners in this country, but only Y million members of the NRA. That means Z million gun owners have rejected the NRA's extremist views and do not consider that the NRA represents them."

Love 'em or hate 'em, you know what? The antis are watching. They think that those who don't join the NRA, don't join because the NRA is too pro-rights for us.

Think about it...

pax
 
Pax,

Are you saying that we should join even if we hate them? Or that you can't educate an anit-gunner?

At least they got the "do not consider that the NRA represents them." part right.
 
People who think the idea of a very large and powerful organization representing gun owners is a bad idea should not join the NRA.

But the NRA is largely run by elected officers. People who think it's a good idea to have a large & powerful organization representing gun owners but who don't like the current direction of the NRA should join and vote in officers who will change the direction. The fact is that the NRA is as radical as its members will allow it to be. I'll wager for every gun owner who writes off the NRA as being too soft on anti-gunners, there are 1000 who think it's too uncompromising and should be more "reasonable".

BTW, does anyone remember what the "N" in NRA stands for? While the NRA does get involved in state and local issues, they are primarily National. There are state and local organizations (or there should be) to handle state and local issues. We have one here that is tremendously productive in spite of the truly overwhelming lack of support* from TX gun owners.

*Demonstrated by the surprisingly small number of members.
 
While TBM has shown several instances where the NRA is actively working in Missouri, ironically, the original poster never presented any evidence that the NRA is *not* working on *his* pet problem. Why do some people always seem to get the idea that because something bad is happening to shooters, the NRA is doing nothing?

Tim
 
You're right John, tell me which directors to vote for to get some action. I am looking for someone who not only will look out for my interests, but also the interests of every dues paying member, and who will not put their personal interests in a higher regard. I am not saying I want everything for myself, but I don't want legislation passed behind my back that will hurt me in order for the large and powerful organization representing gun owners to get something they want for personal reasons.


The reason I'm asking you is because I don't know who these guys are other than the little campaign ads they ran in the magazine. According to that they were all the best choice. I would run myself, but I can't afford to buy the job.

Thanks,
Rod
 
Budget cuts have targeted the manned shooting range programs, state youth competitions and the volunteer program for Hunter Education instructors.

Sorry, Missouri's budget is not controlled by the NRA. Missouri's budget is controlled by those who are elected by the good folks of Missouri.

The MDC functions under the direction of commissioners appointed by the Governor

Once again, the NRA does not control who is elected as Governor and/or appointed by the Governor to serve as a commissioner. The citizens of Missouri elect Missouri's Governor.

Yeah, that NRA doesn't do anything for anyone. :rolleyes: Just ignore the Post by TheBluesMan, and bash away! :)
 
If you think the NRA should change its direction pay some dues and become a voting member. The leadership of the NRA is elected.

Even if you are not a member you can still drop buy the webpage and check out the legislative alerts for your area. It costs money to run a website.
 
anyone who wants to keep his gun should be a member(NRA). you can be an associate member for $10.. that's FULL membership without the magazine or hat. they need our numbers even if you don't want to get involved.
 
http://www.nradefensefund.org/litigation.aspx


MISSOURI

Lloyd Ricketts (Missouri). Mr. Ricketts is disabled, lives on social security payments, and resides in public housing. Missouri has a constitutional guarantee to keep and bear arms for self-defense. The Independence Housing Authority has a lease provision forbidding firearm keeping at any of its housing units. His former wife denounced him to the housing authority as a firearm owner. Consequently, Mr. Ricketts was served with an eviction notice. He filed a motion to dismiss the eviction notice. He claimed in the motion that the no firearm lease policy is an unconstitutional infringement of the right to keep arms in the home and that the lease is a contract of adhesion. The motion was heard on October 26, 2004. The court ruled in Mr. Ricketts’ favor on November 4, 2004.

Alvin Brooks v. State (Missouri). Missouri enacted legislation providing for the issuance of a license to carry a pistol concealed. Missouri's guarantee to bear arms for self-defense has a provision that this right does not encompass concealed carrying. Opponents of the legislation argued in court that the state guarantee to bear arms also serves as a prohibition on the passage of legislation providing for the issuance of a license to carry a pistol concealed. The National Rifle Association filed an amicus curiae brief on November 19, 2003. The brief argued, among other things, that the announcement in the state constitution that the right to bear arms does not include the right to bear arms concealed does not prevent the legislature from creating such a right legislatively. The Missouri Supreme Court held on February 26, 2004, that the right to bear arms does not prevent the legislature from enacting the statute in question. The case is reported as Brooks v. State, 128 S.W.3d 844 (Mo. 2004).

Robert Barry v. Missouri (Missouri). In Brooks v. State, 128 S.W.3d 844 (Mo. 2004), the Missouri Supreme Court held that the right to bear arms does not prevent the legislature from enacting a statute providing for the issuance of a license to carry a concealed firearm. The taxpayer lawsuit claims the license to carry a concealed firearm law violates Missouri’s Hancock Amendment against unfunded mandates in four counties. This information was provided on September 10, 2004. This case is in Moniteau County. The county is issuing licenses during litigation.

St. Louis County v. Missouri (Missouri). In Brooks v. State, 128 S.W.3d 844 (Mo. 2004), the Missouri Supreme Court held that the right to bear arms does not prevent the legislature from enacting a statute providing for the issuance of a license to carry a concealed firearm. The taxpayer lawsuit, by the county executive acting as a private citizen, claims the license to carry a concealed firearm law violates Missouri’s Hancock Amendment against unfunded mandates because the $100 statutory fee does not cover processing costs. St. Louis County was not issuing licenses during litigation. However, on July 12, 2005, Governor Matt Blunt signed legislation, which took effect immediately. The new law allows sheriffs to use the licensee fee to cover background check and associated staff costs. The new law removes any excuse for not issuing licenses.

Keith Byron Baranski (Missouri). He was convicted of conspiracy to import machine guns. The conviction has been affirmed on appeal. The search warrant in Mr. Baranski's case did not state the things to be seized and no sealed or unsealed affidavit accompanied the warrant. He filed a petition for a writ of certiorari based on the February 24, 2004, Supreme Court decision involving the 4th Amendment's particularity requirement for a search warrant in Groh v. Ramirez, 125 S.Ct. 1284 (2004). The writ was denied. However, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit on March 14, 2005, in Baranski v. 15 Agents, held that Groh undermines the legal basis for the 8th Circuit’s affirmance of Baranski’s conviction. At the time the 8th Circuit issued its decision it did not have the benefit of the Supreme Court’s Groh decision. Therefore, Mr. Baranski will file for post conviction relief under 28 U.S. Code § 2255.

Jerry Troyer (Missouri). His .45 caliber revolver was recovered by the police from parties unknown to Mr. Troyer. He is eligible to keep and bear arms. However, the police want him to acquire a permit to purchase a pistol in order for the police to transfer the revolver back to him. He objected. A replevin petition was filed in the Circuit Court of Phelps County on June 18, 2005, seeking return of his revolver. On October 28, 2005, the Attorney General filed his answer. The state’s position is that Mr. Troyer needs a permit to acquire a pistol prior to obtaining custody of the revolver.

Larry Crow (Missouri). He is a custom gunsmith. His high skills include converting revolvers from one caliber to another caliber. BATF considers this to be firearm manufacturing and thus requiring a manufacturer’s license. This BATF position will be challenged in court because customizing firearms is not the same as manufacturing firearms.
 
We have one here that is tremendously productive in spite of the truly overwhelming lack of support* from TX gun owners.

*Demonstrated by the surprisingly small number of members.

OK, you shamed me into it - just "lifed up".

Having moved here from Maryland, it was easy to assume that TSRA had the support of 90% of the population*

*Given the outstanding job they've done.
 
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